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Started by Nicky007, Mon, 2007-05-21, 13:11:19

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Nicky007

#200
... Mastodon belong in my pantheon.

Havent even heard Crack The Skye yet, and it's supposed to be even better.

Thanks, Tom  ;)

Nicky.
So you've come of age
And so you want to meet God
Sure you can
He's right here next to me

Nicky007

Gotta get into Primus. Added Pork Soda to my SL.

I'v heard lotta good stuff bout'm, from a nutty guy called Steve Jones among others  ;D

Nicky.
So you've come of age
And so you want to meet God
Sure you can
He's right here next to me

The Butterfly Man

Quote from: Nicky007 on Sat, 2009-05-09, 20:19:37
... Mastodon belong in my pantheon.

Havent even heard Crack The Skye yet, and it's supposed to be even better.

Thanks, Tom  ;)

I think once you purchase Crack The Skye it won't leave your cd-player for months! *horns*

Tom
There will be white clouds beyond the hills...

Nicky007

#203
Quote from: The Butterfly Man on Mon, 2009-05-11, 18:00:49
I think once you purchase Crack The Skye it won't leave your cd-player for months! *horns*

Sounds good, Tom (i.e. your prophecy)  :)


I removed the year of release from my stuck-on songs, leaving it for solely the uppermost song that year. It's interesting (for me, at least) to see how the years can vary in that respect. E.g. there are over twenty songs for 2005 (and that's not cause of Ten), and only four for 2004 (two of'm Ten) ???

And it seems that for me, rock started in 1966  8)

I didnt get into it then - I was only eleven and deeply into Beethoven and stuff - but when I was in the GDR, Autumn 1967 - Summer '68, rock was so coveted that I got interested  :)


And I'm still the leader, Paxi  ;D

Nicky.
So you've come of age
And so you want to meet God
Sure you can
He's right here next to me

PH

Quote from: Nicky007 on Tue, 2009-06-02, 15:15:20
And I'm still the leader, Paxi  ;D
A self-proclaimed leader of what, Nixy? ;D

Nicky007

Quote from: PH on Tue, 2009-06-02, 15:49:16
A self-proclaimed leader of what, Nixy? ;D

What's your IQ, Paxi ?  ::)

And now I'm even more of a leader  ;)

Nicky.
So you've come of age
And so you want to meet God
Sure you can
He's right here next to me

PH

Alright then.
As you wish.

maddox

Quote from: The Butterfly Man on Mon, 2009-05-11, 18:00:49
I think once you purchase Crack The Skye it won't leave your cd-player for months! *horns*

Tom

I personally, politely of course, disagree.  ;)
Cause of Injury: Lack of Adhesive Ducks.

Nicky007

Quote from: PH on Tue, 2009-06-02, 16:09:15
Alright then. As you wish.

One can only achieve such leadership by hard work, Paxi  ;D


Quote from: maddox on Tue, 2009-06-02, 23:50:03
I personally, politely of course, disagree.  ;)

OK, so I'l keep it on my cd-player for over a month, just to annoy you, Mad  ;D

Nicky.
So you've come of age
And so you want to meet God
Sure you can
He's right here next to me

maddox

Quote from: Nicky007 on Wed, 2009-06-03, 14:44:05

OK, so I'l keep it on my cd-player for over a month, just to annoy you, Mad  ;D

Nicky.

Like they say in the States: Knock yourself out.  ;D
Cause of Injury: Lack of Adhesive Ducks.

Nicky007

#210
Quote from: Nicky007 on Tue, 2009-06-02, 15:15:20
And it seems that for me, rock started in 1966  8)

Make that 1965. That's the year when Beatles released Yesterday, and then Michelle, and Rolling Stones released As Tears Go By. Till then we'd had rock'n'roll, which was dance music. Then all of a sudden came songs that were more for listening than dancing. So what was this ?  Yes, guys: The birth of ROCK  *horns*

Now tell me what you think of my fabulous new theory  ;)

Nicky.
So you've come of age
And so you want to meet God
Sure you can
He's right here next to me

Bupie

Quote from: Nicky007 on Wed, 2009-06-03, 17:38:54
Make that 1965. That's the year when Beatles released Yesterday, and then Michelle, and Rolling Stones released As Tears Go By. Till then we'd had rock'n'roll, which was dance music. Then all of a sudden came songs that were more for listening than dancing. So what was this ?  Yes, guys: The birth of ROCK  *horns*

Now tell me what you think of my fabulous new theory  ;)

Nicky.

I think that indeed 1965 is a great year but because of another birth (my modesty preventing me from going into details  ;D)

Nicky007

Quote from: Nicky007 on Wed, 2009-06-03, 17:38:54
Now tell me what you think of my fabulous new theory  ;)

OK, so nobody finds this interesting  :(

Should I take it that nobody here is interested in music history, or history in general ... as long as there's prog and Guinness around  ???

Nicky.
So you've come of age
And so you want to meet God
Sure you can
He's right here next to me

PH

Quote from: Nicky007 on Thu, 2009-06-04, 12:47:23
OK, so nobody finds this interesting  :(

Should I take it that nobody here is interested in music history, or history in general ... as long as there's prog and Guinness around  ???

Alright then. I LOVE music history. I'm reading about music all the time.

But I'm sorry, I don't see the Beatles as a rock band... :-\ Perhaps some songs have some aspects of soft rock, but they're FAR from a rock band.
It's way too soft to be rock.

Rock has to have guitars! And rock isn't about "I want you so bad, it's driving me mad"...
I absolutely can't believe why everybody loves the Beatles so much...

And of course, Prog started with King Crimson's "In The Court Of The Crimson King".

What exactly do you want to discuss about? And why not open a new topic for it? ;)


-Paco

Bupie

#214
Quote from: PH on Thu, 2009-06-04, 15:15:46
But I'm sorry, I don't see the Beatles as a rock band... :-\ Perhaps some songs have some aspects of soft rock, but they're FAR from a rock band.
It's way too soft to be rock.

I absolutely can't believe why everybody loves the Beatles so much...

Hum, PH, I am not exactly a specialist nor a fan of the Beatles, to say the least (don't have any of their albums), but some of their songs/albums are definitively rock and even close to prog rock. So I think you only have a very partial knowledge of the Beatles' music.

QuoteRock has to have guitars!

Not necessarily  :) ... but the Beatles had two of them  ;)

QuoteAnd rock isn't about "I want you so bad, it's driving me mad"...

Why couldn't it be about that sometimes  ???




Bupie

Quote from: Nicky007 on Wed, 2009-06-03, 17:38:54
Now tell me what you think of my fabulous new theory  ;)

Frankly, Nicky, is the adjective "new" really appropriate here ?  :)

Manatee

Quote from: Nicky007 on Thu, 2009-06-04, 12:47:23
OK, so nobody finds this interesting  :(

Should I take it that nobody here is interested in music history, or history in general ... as long as there's prog and Guinness around  ???

Pretty much, yeah.   ;)  One semester in high school, I took drafting to get out of having to take more history.

Seriously though, I think rock started before the Beatles.  Guys like Chuck Berry were being pretty rocky in the 50's.

I'd have to agree with Bupie that the Beatles do indeed count as rock (although they have songs that could also be called folk, similar to Bob Dylan).  I also must say (as I have before) that I'm not all that excited by the Beatles either.  One reason isn't their fault (or if it is, I don't blame them for it) -- I've just heard so freaking much of them in my life that I don't really need to hear them anymore.  Overplay over 40+ years eventually wears one out.  The other is that, although they did break some ground in their era (some songs could be argued to be proggie for those times), they're pretty dated now.  I'll admit that taken at face value, they do have lots of 'good songs', but I'm just no longer interested in them.
"What is that sound?  It's confusing, and boy is it loud!"

maddox

About the Beatles: What bupie said.

It's not mainstream, not populair music though they had their fair share of hits, but some tracks are indeed close to prog as close as close to prog can ever be.
So if it's not prog: then it's rock.

And their cool. Were cool. Eh...whatever.  :P
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PH

Quote from: Bupie on Thu, 2009-06-04, 15:58:34
Hum, PH, I am not exactly a specialist nor a fan of the Beatles, to say the least (don't have any of their albums), but some of their songs/albums are definitively rock and even close to prog rock. So I think you only have a very partial knowledge of the Beatles' music.

You're absolutely right about the last sentence. So I apologise for my (somewhat) harsh outings earlier.
Which songs/albums are close to prog rock? That's what I'd like to know, because I DO acknowledge their BIG influence in music history!

Quote from: Bupie on Thu, 2009-06-04, 15:58:34
Not necessarily  :) ... but the Beatles had two of them  ;)

Hehehe, you're right. :)


Quote from: Bupie on Thu, 2009-06-04, 15:58:34
Why couldn't it be about that sometimes  ???

Alright. But the lyrics to that song... I couldn't bare listening to that song because of the lyrics. I think it's just terrible.
And I've heard that many of the Beatles lyrics consist of only a few sentences which were repeated all the time.
No... that's just wrong...
:P

But I have to admit that I'm not much of a Rock listener. Well, not classic (and I mean real classic) rock, like the Beatles or Rolling Stones or whatever.
I think that's because of the age gap. It sounds dated to me, but I can imagine that some of the older guys here have some nostalgia feelings when listening to their songs.
And as I already said, I acknowledge their huge influence in today's music.

Or in other words:
I find Muse far more interesting. They are really a Rock Band and I find they are closer to Prog than what I've heard of the Beatles. ;)


-Paco

Bupie

Quote from: PH on Thu, 2009-06-04, 23:21:34
Which songs/albums are close to prog rock? That's what I'd like to know, because I DO acknowledge their BIG influence in music history!

I should let better suited Roomies answer -and it's Nicky's thread, after all ;D-  but I think that Sergent Pepper's and Abbey Road should be worth the try ...

Nicky007

#220
It was all a ploy to gain more headway  ;D

No, seriously, guys, thanks, and particular thanks to Paxi, you're often the one who picks up on a good discussion, and these are the sorta discussions that I really like, with many different experiences and views clashing, giving us all a lotta stuff to think about  8)

OK, now my mustard:


Quote from: PH on Thu, 2009-06-04, 15:15:46
Alright then. I LOVE music history. I'm reading about music all the time.

Great, Paxi  8)


Quote
But I'm sorry, I don't see the Beatles as a rock band... :-\ Perhaps some songs have some aspects of soft rock, but they're FAR from a rock band.
It's way too soft to be rock.

Well, imo Beatles made both pop, rock'n'roll, rock and folk.

I think a song like Come Together is definitely rock, of course in the softer end of the spectrum.

But my point was that the transition from r'n'r to rock happened with these two great groups at the time, Beatles and Stones, making songs that were more for listening than dancing.

And Bups, yes, I think that it is a, if not new, then unusual approach, as I'v never seen it before.


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Rock has to have guitars!

Yes, in general, but there are many notable exceptions, e.g. Emerson, Lake & Palmer, much of Rick Wakeman's and Patrick Moraz' music, where these great keyboard wizards do such amazing stuff that you forget about guitars.

If anything, rock has something to do with electric instruments in general, and if one prefers, one can track the origins of rock back to the introduction of electric guitars in jazz.


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And rock isn't about "I want you so bad, it's driving me mad"...

Paxi, I know that you're very alert to lyrics, and that's great, but I can name many well-established bands whose lyrics don't rise much above your quotes. In fact, my latest, very much enjoyed, discovery, Coverdale - Page's self-titled album, is an example. The only song on that album that has lyrics to really reflect on is the last track; but the music and vocal delivery on this album is sooo good, and, altho very bluesy, it's definitely a rock album.


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And of course, Prog started with King Crimson's "In The Court Of The Crimson King".

Obviously there are different opinions on that matter. In my book, prog started with Floyd in 1965, or at least in 1967 with Floyd's Piper At The Gates Of Dawn, Beatles Sgt. Pepper, and the genesis of Genesis. King Crimson were founded two years later, in 1969.


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What exactly do you want to discuss ? And why not open a new topic for it? ;)

In the Room, you never know what will catch on and what will be glossed over  ;D

As we saw, it needed some extra prodding to get you guys goin - and then you did bigtime, great - and if you, Paxi, hadnt responded, this matter could have easily died right there.



Quote from: Manatee on Thu, 2009-06-04, 20:55:12
One semester in high school, I took drafting to get out of having to take more history.

Is that why you drink draft beer, Greenie ?  ;D


Quote
Seriously though, I think rock started before the Beatles.  Guys like Chuck Berry were being pretty rocky in the 50's.

Isnt that basically rock'n'roll tho ?

I'm pressing the point that the difference lies in whether the music is mainly for dancing or for listening.



Quote from: Bupie on Fri, 2009-06-05, 17:52:18
I should let better suited Roomies answer - and it's Nicky's thread, after all ;D-  but I think that Sergent Pepper's and Abbey Road should be worth the try ...

Abbey Road is my fave Beatles album, and together with The White Album, the most rocky. I'd definitely recommend AR to you, Paxi, I'm sure you'l enjoy it (just don't think too much about the lyrics and just enjoy the pristine music), and at this point of history, you can probably get it very cheap, and prob even Daddy has it  :)


Quote from: PH on Thu, 2009-06-04, 23:21:34
... but I can imagine that some of the older guys here have some nostalgia feelings when listening to their songs.

:P


Quote
And I've heard that many of the Beatles lyrics consist of only a few sentences which were repeated all the time.
No... that's just wrong...
:P

One has to realise that there's a world of a difference between early Beatles and Abbey Road (their last recorded album). Beatles are at least progressive in the sense that there's hardly any other band that progressed sooo much from genesis to (no, not armageddon, that's exaggerating, let's say) breakup, and imo they really, more than any other band, created the transition from r'n'r to rock.

Nicky.
So you've come of age
And so you want to meet God
Sure you can
He's right here next to me

erik

I think there's some truth in Paco's statement about the King Crimson debut being the real start of prog, as it can be considered the first quintessential prog statement (loads of mellotron, epics, etc) and KC was the first band that made such a high impact prog statement with their debut album (I know Nicky will say that this was Floyd's Piper, but that one is more psychedelic rock than prog rock). The beginnings of prog do lie before it though with The Nice, Floyd and The Beatles.

I agree with Nicky that the Beatles made an amazing progression, they started as a pop band but from Rubber Soul and Revolver onwards they really created a revolution in rock music and music in general. Any real music lover and certainly prog lover should own at least some of their later albums, i.e. Sgt. Pepper, White Album and Abbey Road. By the way, the Beach Boys have not been mentioned in this discussion, the Sgt Pepper rival/influence Pet Sounds is not to be dismissed here! More a revolutionary album for pop music than rock music of course, but still.
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Nicky007

#222
Quote from: erik on Sat, 2009-06-06, 12:56:25
Any real music lover and certainly prog lover should own at least some of their later albums, i.e. Sgt. Pepper, White Album and Abbey Road.

... if not all. This was Music History in the making at the time. And let's not forget Let It Be, and Yellow Submarine, which iac has the great All You Need Is Love.


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By the way, the Beach Boys have not been mentioned in this discussion, the Sgt Pepper rival/influence Pet Sounds is not to be dismissed here! More a revolutionary album for pop music than rock music of course, but still.

Pet Sounds is enjoyable occasionally, but nothing near the grandeur of Sgt. Pepper. When I'm Sixty-Four, Fixing A Hole, and Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds (LSD) can still get me rockin  *horns*


Quote from: maddox on Thu, 2009-06-04, 20:56:08
It's not mainstream, not popular music though they had their fair share of hits, but some tracks are indeed close to prog as close as close to prog can ever be.

Isnt being prog closer to prog than "indeed close to prog as close as close to prog can ever be," Mad ?  :P

Nicky.
So you've come of age
And so you want to meet God
Sure you can
He's right here next to me

Nicky007

#223
Anyone heard (of) this album:

Jimmy Page & the Black Crowes:  Live At The Greek

I read some great reviews and put it on my SL.

Here's the beginning of the Amazon review by sambucab (Seattle, WA), July 6, 2000:

"Possibly the best live album ever released. Even better than The Song Remains The Same. This is Led Zeppelin live as they've never been heard! What started as a one-off fund rasier in London grew to what is now a full fledged tour. Why? Because this band belongs in the Rock'N'Roll Hall Of Fame NOW! You've never heard Zep songs this lush in a live setting. The Crowes have the Zep songs down pat (I've read that they sat around listening to all the Zep albums). From the first note to the last, what a treat. All the force of Zep plus two other guitars and a keyboard player."

Nicky.
So you've come of age
And so you want to meet God
Sure you can
He's right here next to me

Nicky007

Just added DT's Trial of Tears (on FII) to my stuck-on songs.

Whew, what a piece  *horns*

Nicky.
So you've come of age
And so you want to meet God
Sure you can
He's right here next to me