Now Playing Thread

[bluepony]

NP - nothing... but I will listen to my new Evanescence album soon! 

[Deenfan]

Helloween - Keeper... the Legacy
Helloween - Gambling with the devil + bonus (2 tracks)
Richie Kotzen - Into the black
Fortune - Fortune

[Nicky007]

NP  Kamelot: Siége Perilous

I'm beginning to think that this is one of their best, an obsessionally great album 

Whaddaya think, Tom, Mad, and John ?

Nicky.

[Teunis]

IQ - The Seventh House 

[Appelmoes??]

A fine song.

Haven't heard the TSO version. Heard a double live thing a few times, but I was bored by it, which came as a surprise to me.

The TSO version has a different middle bit, and I think the singer is slightly better, but that's a matter of taste. Overall I think that version has a bit more emotion, also looking at the story line from the TSO album.

NP - nothing... but I will listen to my new Evanescence album soon! 

Have you listened to it by now? What do you think?

NP - Spocks Beard - Ghost of Autumn

A special song for me, with an amazing piano bit.

[maddox]

NP  Kamelot: Siége Perilous

I'm beginning to think that this is one of their best, an obsessionally great album 

Whaddaya think, Tom, Mad, and John ?

Nicky.

I've no idea. I don't have it. 

I can't have 'm all you know. 

NP> Fates Warning - Perfect Symmetry

[Nicky007]

I can't have 'm all you know. 

Not all the best women, but the best cd's, you can have 

Now, if you wanna continue being a member of TSRQC (The Shattered Room Quality Club), then you go down to the cd-store tomorrow and buy Siége. And get The Twilight Chronicles too while you're at it 


NP  Kamelot:  Siége Perilous

Nicky.

[Nicky007]

NP  Elton John:  Captain Fantastic

Elton and Bernie were prog in the 70's, for sure. Listen to their stuff: It's not only beautiful melody, and playful and devious lyrics, but lots of innovative details and some surprisingly distorted and heavy guitars here and there.

I would say that their best albums are Goodbye Yellow Brick Road and Captain Fantastic.

Guys, get these - and let yourselves be surprised bigtime 

Nicky.

[PH]

I would say that their best albums are Goodbye Yellow Brick Road and Captain Fantastic.

Captain Fantastic And The Brown Dirt Cowboy??

Now I'm surprised...

-Paco

[Nicky007]

... that he's brown (like me) ?  or dirty (not like me) ?  or a cowboy (like me, if you accept a veg-cowboy) ?   

Hey Paco, before you get goin on your speculations, just get the f*n album and listen to it. You're beginning to be like Bluey, and that's baaaaaaad 

Nicky.

[Bupie]

NP - David Bowie : Ziggy Stardust

       Mostly Autumn : Heroes never Die

       Arena : Opera Fanatica

A nice florilège, isn't it ? 

[Nicky007]

Certainly, Bups. I listened a lot to Bowie some 35 years ago. Maybe I got my fill, but somehow I feel that he's not as lasting as e.g. Floyd and Elton. But what do you like by and about Bowie ?

Opera Fanatica is super, one of Arena's best   

With Mostly Autumn, I'm uncertain of your motives, Bups 

Nicky.

[maddox]

Now, if you wanna continue being a member of TSRQC (The Shattered Room Quality Club)

That must be a secret society then because i never knew it existed.   

NP> Brum. 

[Nicky007]

That must be a secret society then because i never knew it existed.   

Isnt it great being a member of a secret society, Mad 

NP> Brum. 

I'm a Brummie, but as you're not playing me, you must be talkin bout somethin else 


NP  Pain Of Salvation:  "BE"

Strange, I like Scarsick a lot, but it's first now that I'v started listening properly to BE. Maybe because there's so much talking and program music, so it's good to have a prior interest in PoS in order to maintain the necessary perserverance 

Paco, check out this album (too) - definitely something for you, aint I right, Mad ? 

Nicky.

[maddox]

Isnt it great being a member of a secret society, Mad 

Indeed. The inner circle of the illusive Shattered Room. 
Though you have to be a Sicko before you can be a part of it. 

I'm a Brummie, but as your not playing me, you must be talkin bout somethin else 

NP  Pain Of Salvation:  "BE"

Strange, I like Scarsick a lot, but it's first now that I'v started listening properly to BE. Maybe because there's so much talking and program music, so it's good to have a prior interest in POS in order to maintain the necessary perserverance 

Paco, check out this album (too) - definitely something for you, aint I right, Mad ? 

Nicky.

Yes you're absolutely right, Nicky.
But i fear that the topics PoS choose aren't the ones Paco like.
They tend to be harsh and it's understandeble that some people have problems with that.

[keyboardistmatt]

Now playing: SENSER - "Peace"
from the album 'Stacked Up'

A really chilled out track.  -Laavley!

[Teunis]

IQ - J'ai Pollette D'Arnu

[The Butterfly Man]

NP: Opeth - Bleak

Yeah!

Tom

[Nicky007]

NP  PoS:  "BE"  (still)

I can see that I'l BE spending a lot of time on this formidable album.

Here's what The Wickerman writes about it on Amazon.com:

"Like all of PoS's albums, this is a concept album, but this is something different from anything they've done before. Basically, it is a concept about the origin of God, and how he created Man to try to get a better understanding of His own existence. Man, in turn, creates an artificial god of his own, to try to better understand his existence ...."

Sounds real intriguing, huh guys ? 

Nicky.

[PH]

Basically, it is a concept about the origin of God, and how he created Man to try to get a better understanding of His own existence.

What do they mean with this?
'The origin of God'... Funny how we, Man, always think in beginnings and ends... Something eternal is far beyond the reach of our minds.
Anyway, I don't think God created Man to try to get a better understanding of His own existence...
Once again, it sounds like humans want to fit God in their own frame. "God is this, God is that" "He did this and that"...
If we want to get a better understanding of Gods existence, and our own, we should read the Bible. Since it's pretty much clear.

Sounds real intriguing, huh guys ? 

Yes Nicky.........


-Paco

[Nicky007]

Something eternal is far beyond the reach of our minds.

Very true, Paco 

Anyway, I don't think God created Man to try to get a better understanding of His own existence...

This thought is actually not so new:  Hegel is my favorite philosopher, and he was deeply Christian, or in any case became so in the course of his studies of life and thought. His main perspective is that God started evolution to become Self-conscious, or as a reflection of Himself, or something like that. This image is also referred to in the Biblical "God created man in His own image".

The idea of God reflecting Himself in Man can actually be traced back to the origins of rational thought (although it cannot be understood rationally). 

I use it as an image or symbol to concentrate and meditate on, just like the Crucifixion of Christ.

In case anyone now is inspired to read Hegel, it's my duty to inform you that he is a very profound and difficult philosopher. Bertrand Russell named him the most difficult philosopher of all. I (Nicky) have spent ten years studying him - on and off, admittedly - and I'v only fathomed a fraction of his thought.

If we want to get a better understanding of Gods existence, and our own, we should read the Bible. Since it's pretty much clear.

Actually much of the material here is also far beyond our rational thinking. So there's lots of stuff for concentration and meditation.

But I can still assimilate a lot of

NP  PoS:  "BE"

Nicky.

[PH]

This thought is actually not so new:  Hegel is my favorite philosopher, and he was deeply Christian, or in any case became so in the course of his studies of life and thought.

How deep?

His main perspective is that God started evolution to become Self-conscious, or as a reflection of Himself, or something like that. This image is also referred to in the Biblical "God created man in His own image".

I always thought that it meant that Man received characteristics of God. Humans have emotions, just like God. They are in search of true love, just like God.
Well, now that I mentioned this, I can imagine that God created the Earth and Man and everything because he wanted to feel true love. Too bad it wasn't everlasting love (from Man's side anyway...).

But Nicky, God started evolution...? That might be a good one for a new topic, and then explain to me what you mean by that.

The idea of God reflecting Himself in Man can actually be traced back to the origins of rational thought (although it cannot be understood rationally). 

I use it as an image or symbol to concentrate and meditate on, just like the Crucifixion of Christ.

Explain please.

I case anyone now is inspired to read Hegel, it's my duty to inform you that he is a very profound and difficult philosopher. Bertrand Russell named him the most difficult philosopher of all. I (Nicky) have spent ten years studying him - on and off, admittedly - and I'v only fathomed a fraction of his thought.

Wow... imagine that it will cost a lifetime to know how, why and who God is. Luckily He explains Himself through His Word (that is: the Bible) instead of the most difficult philosopher of all. Hallelujah!

Actually much of the material here is also far beyond our rational thinking. So there's lots of stuff for concentration and meditation.

I'd rather concentrate on true wisdom, since God has made foolish the wisdom of the world. (I Corinthians 1: 20)


-Paco

[Bupie]

Certainly, Bups. I listened a lot to Bowie some 35 years ago. Maybe I got my fill, but somehow I feel that he's not as lasting as e.g. Floyd and Elton. But what do you like by and about Bowie ?

I like some of his 70's songs, I guess for the same reasons that you gave about 70's Elton John (which I like too). I wouldn't call myself a fan nor a regular listener of Bowie, though, but I think that, considering the period, the concept about Ziggy Stardust was absolutely brilliant and innovative.

With Mostly Autumn, I'm uncertain of your motives, Bups 

Strictly musical ones, Nicky.

NP Arena - Friday's Dream

[Nicky007]

How deep?

Are you back (in)to your a*s, Paco ? 

I always thought that it meant that Man received characteristics of God. Humans have emotions, just like God. They are in search of true love, just like God.

You'v moved deep into the main image now, Paco 

Well, now that I mentioned this, I can imagine that God created the Earth and Man and everything because he wanted to feel true love.

Even deeper 

Too bad it wasn't everlasting love (from Man's side anyway...).

You know, Paxi, we (humans, not God  ) have to learn, i.a. the difference between Good and Evil, by acting freely, then reeping the fruits (some lovely, some rotton) of our acts.

Some people, e.g. Mother Theresa and Mohandas Gandhi, implant Love quickly, others have to bang their heads against a lot'o walls (hey Paxi, where's your fave Smiley) 

Explain please.

You know, Paco, my personal thread is languishing. Ask me there, and I'l give you as good an answer as I can 

Wow... imagine that it will cost a lifetime to know how, why and who God is. Luckily He explains Himself through His Word (that is: the Bible) instead of the most difficult philosopher of all. Hallelujah!
I'd rather concentrate on true wisdom, since God has made foolish the wisdom of the world. (I Corinthians 1: 20)

That's an ongoing discussion, Paxi:  Whether one should remain naive (like a child), or whether one should struggle with the raw material of the World: Personally I have chosen the latter, but each to theirs 

... the concept about Ziggy Stardust was absolutely brilliant and innovative.

Very true, Bups 

Strictly musical ones, Nicky.

I bet 

Nicky.

[Appelmoes??]

NP  PoS:  "BE"  (still)

I can see that I'l BE spending a lot of time on this formidable album.

Here's what The Wickerman writes about it on Amazon.com:

"Like all of PoS's albums, this is a concept album, but this is something different from anything they've done before. Basically, it is a concept about the origin of God, and how he created Man to try to get a better understanding of His own existence. Man, in turn, creates an artificial god of his own, to try to better understand his existence ...."

Sounds real intriguing, huh guys ? 

Nicky.

that album makes me faal asleep And I really dislike Daniël's voice, actually. Haven't said this on the Ayreon forum, but I think here I'll just get a verbal beating instead of banana's thrown at me at the next fanmeet