Good news for the fans:
Genesis will reunite!
Full story here. *horns* (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6064022.stm)
I sure hope the tour won't be in the UK alone. The rest of Europe is waiting too.
(http://www.genesis-movement.org/images/genesispressconfnew_big.jpg)
That's rather good news. :-\
What? Who am i kidding? ??? :-[
That's Great news. *horns*
One of the biggest let down of course is the fact that Peter Gabriell and Steve Hackett won't be joining them. :-\
That would be awesome.
*ola* *ola* very cool.
I heard about it through the Frost-forum.
Yeah! This is BRILLIANT news!
I hope they'll do Holland too.
And which venues will they do?? I mean, I'm sure they won't do De Boerderij. ;D
You wouldn't know Steve Hackett had been in the band from that article. Hackett's the only one still making worthwhile music, in my opinion.
Quote from: PH on Thu, 2006-10-19, 14:49:37
And which venues will they do?? I mean, I'm sure they won't do De Boerderij. ;D
Probably not. ;)
But if they'll play in the Arena (footballstadium, Amsterdam for the unaware.) i surely won't go. :-\ Went there to see U2 two years ago and the sound was absolutely dreadfull. >:(
Id only go if Peter Gabriel was doing it too. Im probably alone in this but i cant stand Phil Collins voice. He can sing but i prefer the more proggy stuff and most of his era was just too poppy and mainstream for me! Sorry!
I like Phil to some extent. I can't listen to his voice for over an hour, the i get fed up with his 'screaming-like singing'. But it will be an hour well spend :)
Yes... we NEED Hackett...
Let's ask him! ;D
Still I'm very excited about this news!! WOW I still can't believe it! :o ;D
Don't forget that these three men brought us:
- Duke's Travels
- Duke's End
- Abacab
- Me And Sarah Jane
- Dodo/Lurker
- Home By The Sea/2nd Home By The Sea
- Domino
- The Brazilian
- Driving The Last Spike
- Fading Lights
Those are all Prog-songs or Proggy Pop-songs.
They still can make nice Prog.
But still I'm not sure if I want them to do another album......
Now it's getting interesting:
Read this:
Quote from: German Genesis fanclub19th October 2006: Classic Rock Magazine has revelaed that Genesis will hold a press conference on 7th November 2006. It will be all about the 2007 Turn It On Again - Tour. The Reunion does now include Steve Hackett or Peter Gabriel. At this moment, there is no information on whether there will be a new album or not.
It seems Peter Gabriell will join somewhere in the tour after finishing some obligations. Maybe for an encore or something or a whole show, i have no idea.
Don't know if Steve Hackett will also show up.
In short: To be continued. 8)
Quote from: German Genesis fanclub
19th October 2006: Classic Rock Magazine has revelaed that Genesis will hold a press conference on 7th November 2006. It will be all about the 2007 Turn It On Again - Tour. The Reunion does now include Steve Hackett or Peter Gabriel. At this moment, there is no information on whether there will be a new album or not.
Suppose the now is a typo and it's supposed to say not
Bad typo, there are two letters in between :-\
Quote from: johninblack on Fri, 2006-10-20, 14:26:26
Quote from: German Genesis fanclub
19th October 2006: Classic Rock Magazine has revelaed that Genesis will hold a press conference on 7th November 2006. It will be all about the 2007 Turn It On Again - Tour. The Reunion does now include Steve Hackett or Peter Gabriel. At this moment, there is no information on whether there will be a new album or not.
Suppose the now is a typo and it's supposed to say not
If you put it like that...Yeah you could be right. :-\
Would be a shame though. A real Genesis reunion would include Peter Gabriell and Steve Hackett in my opinion.
Let's hope it's no typo error. :(
Quote from: maddox on Fri, 2006-10-20, 20:46:41
A real Genesis reunion would include Peter Gabriell and Steve Hackett in my opinion.
I can see a few people getting rather excited if that were to happen. Trouble is they would be expected to play all the old stuff, now don't get me wrong I like a lot of the early stuff but in order to remain 'Progressive' they would need a fair bit or new material. IMO to go out and play nearly all old stuff would be i) regressive ii) about making money and not about the music. Well thats my opinion, agree or disagree i'd like to hear yours.....
It doesn't necessarily have to be that way, JIB. I think it can be a mixture of both era's, Peter's and Phil's. After all, the last Genesis line up was with the help of Chester Tompson on Drums. I think Daryll Steurmer will join too especially when Steve Hackett won't join The Reunion.
I do think that most of the songs will be from Phil's era since that was the most succesfull one but like i said, the oldies will be even important when Peter will attend.
In the end, money is a pretty important factor and i doubt that it isn't in this case but most of the fans are crying out for this for years.
Quote from: maddox on Sat, 2006-10-21, 14:53:25
It doesn't necessarily have to be that way, JIB. I think it can be a mixture of both era's, Peter's and Phil's.
Most likely will be, I just think some new material would keep things 'fresh'
Quote from: maddox on Sat, 2006-10-21, 14:53:25
In the end, money is a pretty important factor and i doubt that it isn't in this case but most of the fans are crying out for this for years.
Agree, and please don't get me wrong i'm just trying to look at this from all possable angles. What would happen if on the first night of the tour they announced that as a progressive band they didn't want to play more than 2 or 3 old songs and play nearly all new stuff? Could be several dissapointed people, on the other hand several very happy people!
So it seems that the rumours remain rumours. Peter Gabriell stated that he won't be a part of the reunion.
Read this. (http://www.dprp.net/news/index.php)
He's busy with his own works and although he says that there were some conversations regarding this topic he decieded to concentrate on his own work first.
That's soo bad. :(
But good of course for the Gabriell-fans. ;)
Quote from: maddox on Mon, 2006-10-23, 11:04:05
So it seems that the rumours remain rumours. Peter Gabriell stated that he won't be a part of the reunion.
He also said this...
"I'm not involved in this round, or this year, so (I) just wanted to make that clear. I haven't ruled out the possibility of, of doing something in the future, but right now I'm gonna focus on, on my own work."
It could still happen then, that ultimate reunion. Time will tell.
By the time Peter has time, they will definately need him as well. I think Phil's voice has deteriorated a lot over the last years. Regrettably. I won't doubt a second about going, since I never saw them with Phil, but I fear how it is. I think when you compare the .... But Seriously DVD and the Final Farewell-DVD you can notice a huge difference. And the G-material is a lot more intense and agressive....
But for now: I'm a happy man. Still hope that Hackett will do something though (did anyone say support?).
Today is the press conference
(http://www.genesis-music.com/Images/2006/mailer2.jpg)
There's a webcast of the press conference at the official website (www.genesis-music.com) at 12:00 GMT
(http://www.genesis-music.com/Images/2005/Genesis_Studio_1.jpg)
It should start now, but...
The official Genesis website won't open here... :( :( :(
Too much visitors I guess.
I hope some of you have more luck.
EDIT:
IT'S ON!!
http://www.genesislive.tv
8)
Ok, things I picked up:
They're planning to play:
- Los Endos
- In The Cage
- Domino
at least.
And they'll be playing medleys. I'm not sure if the above mentioned songs are part of a medley. In The Cage is probably part of a medley I guess.
They say they'll try to please everybody with songs from each(?) album.
I hope so.
I don't know the tourdates, but I have a feeling that they won't be playing The Netherlands...
Oh, and they won't be playing Supper's Ready. ::)
(And no More Fool Me either)
Hehehe, ahem...
YES!!!
Found the Tourdates
Tickets will be on sale for UK dates on 24 November and for dates in Germany on 10 November. Other on-sale dates to be announced. The complete list of European concerts is:
11 June Helsinki, Finland Olympic Stadium
14 June Herning, Denmark Messecenter
15 June Hamburg, Germany AOL Arena
17 June Berne, Switzerland Stade de Suisse
18 June Linz, Austria Gugglestadium
20 June Budapest, Hungary Puskas Ferenc Stadium
21 June Katowice, Poland Slaski Stadium
23 June Hannover, Germany AWD Arena
26 June Dusseldorf, Germany LTU Arena
29 June Stuttgart, Germany Gottlieb-Daimler Stadium
30 June Paris, France Parc Des Princes
1 July Amsterdam, Holland Arena
3 July Berlin, Germany Olympiastadion
4 July Leipzig, Germany Zentralstadion
5 July Frankfurt, Germany Commerzbankarena
7 July London, UK Twickenham Stadium
8 July Manchester, UK Old Trafford
10 July Munich, Germany Olympiastadion
12 July Monaco Louis II Stadium
14 July Rome, Italy Telecomcerto at Colosseo
This will be the first time that I'll be in the Amsterdam Arena.
But I WILL be there for sure!
QuoteThey're planning to play:
- Los Endos
- In The Cage
- Domino
Don't forget Afterglow, which was mentioned by Tony Banks.
They said they would do medley's but just instrumental ones. Not like the 91-92 medley, which was an attemp to "please everybody, but ended up pleasing no-one" (as Collins put it).
Short video fragments showed Home By The Sea and No Son of Mine in rehearsal...
kewl...
QuoteQuoteThey're planning to play:
- Los Endos
- In The Cage
- Domino
Don't forget Afterglow, which was mentioned by Tony Banks.
Daryl Stuermer admitted in a radio-interview he was asked to learn The Carpet Crawl as well :)
Quote from: JJ II on Wed, 2006-11-08, 14:52:25
Don't forget Afterglow, which was mentioned by Tony Banks.
Daryl Stuermer admitted in a radio-interview he was asked to learn The Carpet Crawl as well :)
That would be awesome. 8)
They are charging €100.- and more for tickets! I'm soooo mad that they have the nerve to squeeze that much money out of their biggest fans!
(If I was a fan, I would outraged btw...)
Quote from: Appelmoes?? on Fri, 2006-11-10, 22:55:26
They are charging €100.- and more for tickets! I'm soooo mad that they have the nerve to squeeze that much money out of their biggest fans!
(If I was a fan, I would outraged btw...)
We can all make our supicions as to what the purpose of this tour is. I have several ideas:
1) romantic: the guys really need the audience
2) down-to-earth: the guys really need the money
The truth is most probably somewhere in between. The guys surely *want* to do the tour, for the more romantic reasons, but then again they don't want to like a world tour with dozens of gigs. So the management picks out the really huge venues and they charge like crazy so that a) a revenue for the musicians and b) a revenue for the management is created. Bang, there you are at 100 bucks...
They could have charged around € 60,-. That's still a lot of money, but it's a hell of a lot more payable.
Maybe we all should consider what it costs to make a tour like this. Remember PH's desperate but very brave ( *horns*) attempt to bring Frost* over for a gig? 35 euro's if i recall correctly per hour. And that's only Frost* (no offence ;)). Genesis is somewhat bigger as a band and well known over the entire world and thus far needs more men/material/equipment to create only one gig. 100 Euro's or more is indeed quite heavy and Genesis surely aren't doing it for the fans alone but with all the high prices on almost everything in live today i think it's quite accurate, though it stays a lot of money. :-\
But the costs for the venue, the tourmanager, the roadie ad stuff are all fixed. They don't cost more than with normal gigs. Maybe a little since it's a world tour, but I can't imagine that will have an amazing effect on their paycheck. That's why I think € 100,- is too much, even for the cheapest ticket!
Quote from: Appelmoes?? on Sat, 2006-11-11, 19:29:51
But the costs for the venue, the tourmanager, the roadie ad stuff are all fixed.
You maybe right about that but for example try renting a truck for a band like, well i've said it before so...Frost* or rent a dozen trucks for Genesis. And what about the material? A stage set up for Arena is, sadly enough, a bit smaller than for Genesis. That has to be moved, assembled, played upon ;) and after that disassembled. You need a lot of road crew for that. And hiring the Arena (amsterdam) or hire lets say 013 in Tilburg, that's a difference too. I'm sure you know that too.
Like i said, i'm sure that a big load of that 100 euro is going to Genesis instead to other parties and indeed it could be a couple of euro's less but in the end i think it is a valid price. Well, sort off.
For instance, i'm going to Van Dik Hout (a dutch rock act, for the non-dutchies) in my home town in a venue that isn't that big. Maybe 300 men and it's full. One ticked cost 20 euro's. :-\
Just for comparison.
Think about this. If Van Dikhout can make a profit from 300 times € 20,- how much profit will Genesis make from 48.000 times € 100,- to € 175,- ?
Remeber the're playing big venues only, so these are reasonable numbers. Madonna had 48.000 places for her gig in the Arena and made a profit of 4 million euro's. 48.000 x 150 (I took this for average) = 7.2 million. Believe me, those guys from Genesis are loading up on cash :-\
Can't argue about that. Those probably are valid numbers. I just wanted to point out how high the costs are for organising such a concert. And considering its a worldly event the cost might be even higher than a few concerts alone in one country. Shipping stuff etc.
And nobody's doing anything for free so i agree with you that they will be very happy with their bank account. Or their ex-wife's. ;D
€ 100,- that's the best seat you can get.
When you buy a ticket for the cheapest seat, you'll buy 60 euro or so.
Of course it's too much. Absolutely. It seems Genesis loves the money.
Too bad.
But still I love their music and...
I think I won't be going.
I'll buy their DVD afterwards. There IS a limit for a fan. I love them, I don't worship them.
I've read Metro (a dutch free-newspaper) today and in it was an advertisement for the tour of Genesis. The weird thing is that they said that the prices of the tickets started at € 45 per ticket. And on Ticketmaster the (apparently) highest price is € 59 euro's. Now i'm confuzled. :-\
First they talked about 100 euro's or more and now something less expensive? Or was that a prank? ???
...
Anybody?
I can honestly say I would not waste my money, thats not genesis, it's phil collins. Sorry peeps but without Peter their it's a big forget it for me. Give me an Arena ticket anyday.
Quote from: intruder on Wed, 2006-11-29, 09:22:40
I can honestly say I would not waste my money, thats not genesis, it's phil collins. Sorry peeps but without Peter their it's a big forget it for me. Give me an Arena ticket anyday.
Best post in this section yet!
So, I thought: let's revitalise this thread!
Anyone been to the concert already? Any thoughts.
From what I've seen on YouTube, they look and sound amazing, with more old stuff than ever before!
http://www.postnewsads.com/contestDNA/contestDisplay.asp?ContestName=SeeGenesisinGermany!&id=52
I read the review from the concert in Herning, Denmark, June 14. The headline of the review by Lisa Reschefski was "Stone Dead Resurrection". She experienced even the three Genesis guys as being bored. And this is at the beginning of their tour.
Looks like it's a big buck enterprise.
Instead of Genesis, I would recom you to keep an eye out for Robert Plant. This guy has stayed at the edge.
Nicky.
QuoteLooks like it's a big buck enterprise.
Hmmm... so why are they doing only a few shows then? It must be financially more interesting to carry on for another 20 gigs when you have a stage like this designed.
And filling half of your set with songs from before 1983 would help as well. Perhaps it was Afterglow, In the Cage and Firth of Fifth that the reporter thought of as boring. ???
By the way: I think it rained heavily in Herning, you won't have much movement then from the 56-year old.
Finally: Tony never moved, nor smiled not even when he was 25! ;D
Quote from: JJ II on Thu, 2007-06-21, 11:59:23Hmmm... so why are they doing only a few shows then? It must be financially more interesting to carry on for another 20 gigs when you have a stage like this designed.
Probably they won't do that because of the fact that they're old? You can't perform for a whole month every day, you'll get exhausted. And 60-year olds probably even more...
Quote from: JJ II on Thu, 2007-06-21, 11:59:23Finally: Tony never moved, nor smiled not even when he was 25! ;D
Ha! That's what Ray Wilson thought too!
I have a live acoustic CD of a Ray Wilson concert. And he told the audience that when he walked in the studio for recording Calling All Stations album he saw a huuuuuuge mixing desk. And on one side there was Mike Rutherford and on the other side was Tony Banks. Now Mike told Ray that he has an idea for a new song called "Shipwrecked". He sang a bit for Ray. But according to Ray, Mike can't sing. He's a great musician but he can't sing. So Mike is singing very false and all of that, and Ray listens and thinks "Shit, he sounds like he's really shipwrecked". He tries very hard not to laugh, pressing his fingernails into his own hand, checking the door to see if this was really Genesis. But then he thought: "I'll look at Tony Banks, 'cause he never smiles, he never laughs". And he looks at Tony and Tony is pissing himself laughing. Then they all burst into laughter.
Ray Wilson is a very funny bloke! 8)
Still enjoying last nights gig. I think it was the best I ever saw. Great Setlist, great sound (not expected), great performance, great show (visually!).
Anyone not having been there, because they expected the Phil's hits-show: you were SOOO wrong!
Quote from: JJ II on Mon, 2007-07-02, 10:41:53Anyone not having been there, because they expected the Phil's hits-show: you were SOOO wrong!
Because?
Please, could you add some more, cause I'm a bit curious indeed. ;D
Because:
Behind The Lines/Duke's End (instrumental opening)
In The Cage
Cinema Show (part)
Dukes Travels (part)
Afterglow
Ripples
Firth of Fifth (instr.)
I Know what I Like
Carpet Crawlers
Add to that:
No Son of Mine
Mama
Domino (part 1 &2)
Home by the Sea (and Second Home By The Sea)
Tonight, Tonight, Tonight
and a couple of BIG hits....
Served with an impressive light show, a great, tight band and wonderful vocals...