What do you think about them?
I just LOVE the new album "Octovarium"! Not at the first listening (as often when I listen to prog' rock, I have to listen to new album a few times before going "in" it)
Just saw yesterday they're planning a "Fall Tour" accross Europe. They come here in Belgium, and this time I'm going to see them. ("this time", because the last time they came, I let my boyfriend go alone 'cose I was still a bit "afraid" about their style, and the 3 hours show!!!!)
This year, 21.10. to be exact, will be my first DT gig. I also like "Octavarium" a lot. I also bought "Live at Budokan" after listening to it at a friend's. They sure must be great live.
I'll tell you what it's like 'cose the gig for me will be on October 12! ;)
"The answer lies within" is my favorite... so good, and the lyrics are so true!
Dream Theater is one of my fav bands. The first time I heard them was when a friend played Scenes from a memory. Later I bought that album and soon all other albums. Still my fav is sfam, but the new album is great too. I really like the last song, Octavarium. Especially the beginning instrumental part. I think the song sounds sometimes a little Ayreonesk.
Dream Theater are great!! I really admire what they do. Have all their albums except the debut When Day And Dream Unite. My favourites are 1) Scenes From A Memory 2) Awake 3) Train Of Thought.
Well, I can't get used to their music. Though I'm a real prog lover, THE bands they always mention as the top of prog, like Dream Theater and Marillion, can't impress me. It's a matter of taste like always. Sorry that I spoil your positive messages ;).
Quote from: Teunis on Thu, 2005-08-11, 21:16:40
Well, I can't get used to their music. Though I'm a real prog lover, THE bands they always mention as the top of prog, like Dream Theater and Marillion, can't impress me. It's a matter of taste like always. Sorry that I spoil your positive messages ;).
Don't apologise, everyone's a critic ( of "over smaak valt niet te twisten" zoals we in NL zeggen). But when you say the THE bands always mentioned as the top of prog can't impress you, do you mean absolutely none of them?? :o Not Genesis, Yes, Floyd, really none of the big ones?? :o
Marillion is a complicated topic of course (personally, I really like the currrent Marillion), but surely Script For A Jester's Tear and Misplaced Childhood are classics and you can draw a straight line from Script.. to Songs.., which is after all Mick's "second album"!
Quote from: erik on Thu, 2005-08-11, 21:27:22
But when you say the THE bands always mentioned as the top of prog can't impress you, do you mean absolutely none of them?? :o Not Genesis, Yes, Floyd, really none of the big ones?? :o
Genesis with Phil Collins was ok. Yes and Floyd have songs I like (mostly singles), but their albums annoy me, with the exception of 'Dark side of the moon' and 'I wish you were here'.
Must say I'm enjoying the new one much more than their other recent albums. Has a bit more variety to it and seems a bit more 'prog' rather than just trying to play fast and complex for the sake of it. :)
I saw DT live at the Astoria in London a couple of years ago and was blown away. For sheer musicianship they excel in every member of the band and it is a joy to watch. The DVD "Live at the Budokan" is a good alternative if you can't catch them live, with some nice additional sections where Jordan gives a tour of his keyboard setup, and John of his guitar effects rig. Favourite DT album is still Scenes From a Memory.
:)On october the 11, i will see DT. for the fourth time. This time in Amsterdam. I am anxious to see which classic album will be entirely played. Any sugestions? Queensryche's Operation:Mindcrime would be nice.
Anyone???
MAD. 8)
Quote from: maddox on Tue, 2005-08-16, 21:42:51
... which classic album will be entirely played.
pretty cool they do that 8)
Maddox: you're going at the second night they'll play in Amsterdam?
In Brussel, as it is a single date, they will play only DT. ;)
yep, the second night. searched the web for some clues, but nope. nothing to be found...
MAD. 8)
I was listening to "Scene from a Memory" all the past week, in my car.
Just tooooooooooooo good! ;D
Quote from: Teunis on Thu, 2005-08-11, 21:16:40
Well, I can't get used to their music. Though I'm a real prog lover, THE bands they always mention as the top of prog, like Dream Theater and Marillion, can't impress me. It's a matter of taste like always. Sorry that I spoil your positive messages ;).
Did You also try Threshold their really great
Quote from: erik on Thu, 2005-08-11, 21:27:22
Marillion is a complicated topic of course (personally, I really like the currrent Marillion), but surely Script For A Jester's Tear and Misplaced Childhood are classics and you can draw a straight line from Script.. to Songs.., which is after all Mick's "second album"!
Maybe an idea to let Arena do the album Script for a Jesters Tear, Fish had done just Recently Misplace Childhood. In a way Script for a Jesters Tear could have been a Arena album
Quote from: Herben on Wed, 2005-09-21, 22:21:16
Did You also try Threshold their really great
Yes, I bought the album 'Wounded land' and I like it very much!
Quote from: Teunis on Thu, 2005-09-22, 18:52:52
Yes, I bought the album 'Wounded land' and I like it very much!
I also like Critical Mass and Hypothetical very much
I think Dream Theater makes very good music, but on many of their songs, the emotions are really strange, in a very special way dramatic. But with Octavarium DT made a lot of progress. The emotions on this album are a bit like the ones from the music of Muse. But DT's music is more progressive I think.
I think Dream Theater is very good!!
I myself had a personal Dream Theater experience last weekend... --> I listened to Dream Theater the whole weekend and was totally converted.
Vanderwoude, I think you're right about the dramatic way of singing... I listened to the song "Never Enough" on Octavarium. And LaBrie sings very scary. :o
I really like the epic "Octavarium" on Octavarium.
Just picked up the "Live at the Budokan" 3CD set for £3 in Fopp Records in Manchester. Bargain of the century, surely ;D
I may even play it somtime in the next 6 months ;)
Quote from: PH on Tue, 2005-10-04, 08:21:57
I really like the epic "Octavarium" on Octavarium.
I listened to it this afternoon, and indeed, it's beautiful. It also has got a really good climax.
Quote from: Vanderwoude on Wed, 2005-10-05, 16:00:13
I listened to it this afternoon, and indeed, it's beautiful. It also has got a really good climax.
Trapped inside this octavarium!
Trapped inside this octavarium!
Trapped inside this octavarium!
Trapped inside this octavarium!
And then the horns (I think it's keyboard generated).
But the flute on the end spoils it a bit I think.
It should end a bit more like Moviedrome.
Like Beavis would say:
"Scream! Scream!! Ghehe!! Scream!
Ghehehe, cool!"
I like the first part of octavarium, the instrumental part. It reminds me of Ambeon.
Quote from: Saryna on Thu, 2005-10-06, 06:54:51
Applemoes.....Who is Charlie D? I was talking about James LaBrie. :)
Charlie D. is the
first singer DT had.
D for Dominici. I actually liked his voice. Reminded me of Geddy Lee, and that way gave me good vibes.
It's fun to see that you guys enjoy DT's last album. I've been around to some DT related forums, and it seems like all the "hardcore" DT fans do is complain about it.. The bands influences are to obvious, it's not "prog" enough, it's not heavy enough, it's too heavy, James don't sing good enough, etc etc. It can get annoying cause it's often obvious that they haven't really listened to it.
I for one think change is good. Ok, my favourites are the old albums like Images & Words and Awake, but can you imagine how boring it would be with 8 albums just like that? ;) They still make great music, and James' singing only gets better with the years, something that the last tours have proved.
My advice would be to go see them if they're close by ;)
Quote from: elisabeta on Sun, 2005-12-11, 00:55:20
It's fun to see that you guys enjoy DT's last album. I've been around to some DT related forums, and it seems like all the "hardcore" DT fans do is complain about it.. The bands influences are to obvious, it's not "prog" enough, it's not heavy enough, it's too heavy, James don't sing good enough, etc etc. It can get annoying cause it's often obvious that they haven't really listened to it.
I for one think change is good. Ok, my favourites are the old albums like Images & Words and Awake, but can you imagine how boring it would be with 8 albums just like that? ;) They still make great music, and James' singing only gets better with the years, something that the last tours have proved.
My advice would be to go see them if they're close by ;)
To be honoust, i had the same doubts when i first heard
Octavarium. But later on after a few more spins, i really enjoyed the album, except for two songs, which are still my least favourites (
The answer... and
I Walk... ). I agree with you that people tend to compare the last album with the ones before, but it's a natural thing, i guess. Expectations grow with every album, especially when the ones before are really good. In my opinion,
Octavarium is a great album, but surely not their best.
And for your advice? It's a
great advice. :)
MAD. 8)
Well, I've given up on them since they don't write good songs anymore. Didn't see that reason listed in your post, so I just had to... ;D
I think "Threshold" do the prog metal thing far better. Dream Theater tend to blind me with the virtuoso science of the thing, and tend to lose the most important thing..........The strength of the song.
Dream Theater are probably better musicians, but Threshold are better songwriters IMHO!
Quote from: Constable Hogweed on Sun, 2005-12-11, 16:51:57
I think "Threshold" do the prog metal thing far better. Dream Theater tend to blind me with the virtuoso science of the thing, and tend to lose the most important thing..........The strength of the song.
Dream Theater are probably better musicians, but Threshold are better songwriters IMHO!
In that case, I think DT are more of a band then Threshold are. The DT members all write the songs, while in Threshold's case are just a few persons responsible for the music, the lyrics are (nowadays) written by a "non-bandmember".
But I like the lyrics from both bands, yet Thresholds tend to keep on making political statements with entire albums, while DT just do that only now and then.
Both bands have their +'s and -'s
Until recently, Groom, West, Jeary and Midson were responsible ( On varying tracks ) for the songwriting in the Threshold camp, that only leaves the vocalist as the uninvolved one. ;)
We shall have to see how involved Steve Anderson becomes in the future!
Quote from: Constable Hogweed on Mon, 2005-12-12, 00:23:26
Until recently, Groom, West, Jeary and Midson were responsible ( On varying tracks ) for the songwriting in the Threshold camp, that only leaves the vocalist as the uninvolved one. ;)
We shall have to see how involved Steve Anderson becomes in the future!
And what about Johanne?
Quote from: johninblack on Mon, 2005-12-12, 02:33:47
And what about Johanne?
Mr James had a track ( The bonus one ) included on "Subsurface" so maybe he will bring more to the writing table in the future :)
Big Dream Theater fan here, been into them since The Spirit of Rush fanzine printed a review of When Dream And Day Unite way back when it first came out, they get better and better every time I see them live. Last year's two Hammersmith gigs were stunning ;D
Quote from: willowroolz on Thu, 2006-03-16, 10:23:35
Last year's two Hammersmith gigs were stunning ;D
Just as the two Amsterdam shows! ;D
Tom
Quote from: The Butterfly Man on Thu, 2006-03-16, 20:35:56
Just as the two Amsterdam shows! ;D
Tom
Excellent - so you got to see them play Dark Side of the Moon too? ;D
I believe Ytse Jam are releasing it on dvd soon 8)
Quote from: willowroolz on Fri, 2006-03-17, 13:34:41
I believe Ytse Jam are releasing it on dvd soon 8)
YYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!Sorry, had to do that. ;D
Quote from: willowroolzExcellent - so you got to see them play Dark Side of the Moon too? ;D
So did i. Marvelous show. One of the best i've ever seen. :)
MAD.
Quote from: maddox on Sat, 2006-03-18, 00:49:03
So did i. Marvelous show. One of the best i've ever seen. :)
It was a bit special, wasn't it? It really surprised me because I wasn't expecting to enjoy it - I wanted to hear them playing more of their own material. But they did such a fantastic job ;D
QuoteI believe Ytse Jam are releasing it on dvd soon 8)
Yes they are, and you can see 2 preview-trailers here:
http://www.ytsejamrecords.com/media/dsotm%20teaser1.wmv
http://www.ytsejamrecords.com/media/dsotmteaser2.wmv
Enjoy!
Tom
Marvellous, thanks! ;D
You're not the same Tom from over at Voices UK are you?? :D
QuoteYou're not the same Tom from over at Voices UK are you?? :D
No I'm not! ;D
Quote from: Constable Hogweed on Mon, 2005-12-12, 00:23:26
Until recently, Groom, West, Jeary and Midson were responsible ( On varying tracks ) for the songwriting in the Threshold camp, that only leaves the vocalist as the uninvolved one. ;)
We shall have to see how involved Steve Anderson becomes in the future!
I believe that Mac (Threshold's vocalist) will take some songwriting duties as well because he does it very well. Maybe he already did! You can also check out his own band called Yargos where his songwriting skills are shown at it's best! A really good album which is quite different from Threshold, but might take some time to grow. :)
Hello!
I might be somewhere in the middle between the people who like Dream Theater and those who dislike it. :-[ I respect this band very much and they have done quite a lot for carrying the progressive flag through the world. They are all top class musicians and can put out a show that would be hard to forget, but still I was never too much excited with their material. I was always finding myself listening to the rare songs, covers, outtakes, unreleased material by the band, side projects like Transatlantic or solo records. Maybe the music was just too complex for me and too technical... Speaking to Dream Theater fans, I was realizing that DT was the only band that did not give me as much excitement as Threshold or Pain of Salvation, for example. It was hard to understand what exactly was missing. All those technical moments were taking away the feeling of a song that I was looking for, I guess... :-[ But still I am unable to understand why this band is often labeled as the top band of the prog genre.
I did not hear Octavarium yet and I have heard lots of negative comments about it which usually means (for me) that the album is worth checking out. ;) I will try to find some samples on-line and I will let you know what I think. Sorry if my post has offended anyone, it was not meant to! :) Take care!
You're post is ok, don't worry ;) Very clear and honoust!
Quote from: stranger_x on Fri, 2006-04-07, 20:57:50
Sorry if my post has offended anyone, it was not meant to!
No not offended at all. I feel the same way about The Flower Kings, everything about them I ought to like and I want to like and I can appriciate the musicianship but I just can't get into them. Besides it's peoples differing opinions that make life interesting!
Quote from: stranger_x on Fri, 2006-04-07, 20:57:50
Sorry if my post has offended anyone, it was not meant to!
No offense at all, I thought it was a very well written post ;)
Besides, I've heard people say far worse things about DT :D :D
;D