From Wiki - Michael Jackson:
"Singer and songwriter Michael Jackson dies at age 50.
On the morning of June 25, 2009, Jackson reportedly collapsed at a rented home in Holmby Hills in Los Angeles. After he collapsed, Jackson's personal physician, who was with him at the time, attempted to resuscitate him. Los Angeles Fire Department paramedics responded to a 911 call at 12:21 pm (PST) and arrived nine minutes later. Jackson was reportedly not breathing and CPR was quickly performed. Resuscitation efforts continued both en route to the UCLA Medical Center, and after arrival at approximately 1:14 pm (20:14 UTC), for a further hour. He fell into a coma and died shortly after arrival. The cause of death is as yet unknown, but he was noted to be already in cardiac arrest by the paramedics who attended him. Jackson was pronounced dead at about 2:26 pm local time (21:26 UTC).
Los Angeles Police Department homicide and robbery division detectives attended the scene as a matter of routine in high profile death cases. The case was transferred to the Los Angeles coroner for investigation as there was no doctor in attendance to sign the death certificate. Jackson's body was transported by helicopter from UCLA to the LA Coroners offices in Boyle Heights. The autopsy is said to be scheduled for Friday, June 26, 2009.
Prior to his death, Jackson had been scheduled to perform 50 sold-out concerts to over one million people, at London's O2 arena, from July 13, 2009 to March 6, 2010. During a publicity press conference, Jackson made suggestions of possible retirement. Randy Phillips, president and chief executive of AEG Live, had stated that the first 10 dates alone would have earned the singer approximately £50 million."
Michael gave us so much great music.
He had a tortured life.
I hope he had some moments of bliss with his music :)
The fifty concerts were of course insane :(
And the fact that one million people are willing to pay large sums to see an artist who's way past his prime attests to people's musical standards ::)
Nicky.
Yeah, it's a sad ending to a sad story actually... :(
President Obama assassinated by Taleban. See page 37 for story... ::)
Quote from: Steve Jones on Fri, 2009-06-26, 13:44:19
President Obama assassinated by Taleban. See page 37 for story... ::)
I'm pondering for a few minutes now, but I still dont know what you mean by that.
Quote from: PH on Fri, 2009-06-26, 15:01:10
I'm pondering for a few minutes now, but I still dont know what you mean by that.
Jonesy is just a sob >:(
A mean sob >:( >:(
;D
Nicky.
Quote from: PH on Fri, 2009-06-26, 15:01:10
I'm pondering for a few minutes now, but I still dont know what you mean by that.
Everything else in the news will be relegated to the sidelines, no matter how important. The media will have a field day with this, second only to the Princess Di Industry. Whilst any death deserves (and gets) my sympathy, the media circus is something else entirely.
Quote from: Steve Jones on Fri, 2009-06-26, 16:55:20
Everything else in the news will be relegated to the sidelines, no matter how important. The media will have a field day with this, second only to the Princess Di Industry. Whilst any death deserves (and gets) my sympathy, the media circus is something else entirely.
Ah right, now I get it.
You're absolutely right, and to be honest, I never really cared much for Michael Jackson. :-\ But I don't think this is the right time and place to give my opinion on him.
The media have the tendency to blow the whole thing up, like it's something that affects the whole world...
A person died... it's sad, yes. But he isn't responsible for our oxygen or anything...
Still, he was an 'icon' of pop music, so in that respect I guess we have to say that a 'legend' died.
Wacko Jacko.
A name that is bound to be connected with Michael.
People often called him weird. Lunatic if you will.
A chimpanzee as a friend, sleeping in an oxygen-tank, a skin-disease that hasn't been proven yet (mind you, to my knowledge)...
Just as i said earlier on a Dutch forum, if you stand in the spotlights like he did, from such a young age, i can imagine that there are times when you simply feel alone.
You then simply disconnect yourself from certain things in order to keep yourself sane.
Only because the media attention that you get (not the likes that you asked for) is so immense that it actually swallow you hole if you don't keep your wits together.
And then you start searching things that can help you in a certain way, make the chaos controllable. Divert the eyes from the real you only to keep both feet on the ground.
Those things you search for may seem silly in the eyes of the world but are actually your only lifeline that prevent you from drowning, an escape from the harsh reality that awaits outside your door. Not everyone is strong enough to deal with that attention.
You saw that with Michael, you saw it with Britney...heck the list is probably too big to write down here.
He did made some great songs and also dito video clips and people will remember him for that though sadly also because of his 'silly' ideas.
I intentionally say great songs, not brilliant because if i would then i would be a fan and to be honest, i never was.
I own a few albums of him though. Albums like Thriller, Bad and Dangerous. I hardly play them but i do recognize his importance in the music world.
I don't really grasp the mass-hysteria you see right now but i do believe that he will be missed by a lot of people, fan or no fan.
That's the way it goes: You can have money like water, made 40+ number one hits, own 20 Neverlands, it all comes down to this very basic conclusion: We all reach the finish-line one day.
R.I.P. Michael. :(
Let them dance up there in heaven. †
Quote from: Steve Jones on Fri, 2009-06-26, 16:55:20
Everything else in the news will be relegated to the sidelines, no matter how important. The media will have a field day with this, second only to the Princess Di Industry. Whilst any death deserves (and gets) my sympathy, the media circus is something else entirely.
I completely agree with you, Steve.
The media can be brutal.
And sadly, the mere mortal are sometimes eager enough to pick those bad things up, in order to (probably unwillingly but also sometime intentionally) to ruin someone's life.
A strange world we live in. :-\
Quote from: maddox on Sat, 2009-06-27, 22:29:00
... a skin-disease that hasn't been proven yet ...
Quote from: maddox on Sat, 2009-06-27, 22:29:00
... if you stand in the spotlights like he did ...
;D
But seriously:
A quote from The Mighty Wikipedia:
"Jackson's skin was a medium-brown color for the entire duration of his youth, but starting in the early 1980s, his skin gradually grew paler. This change gained widespread media coverage, including rumors that Jackson was bleaching his skin. In the mid-1980s, Jackson was diagnosed with vitiligo and lupus; the latter was in remission in Jackson's case, and both illnesses made him sensitive to sunlight. The treatments he used for his condition further lightened his skin tone, and, with the application of pancake makeup to even out blotches, he could appear very pale."
And Mad, it's true what you just said. Fame can sometimes be a (catalyst for) mental illness. We've seen it quite a lot indeed.
It's really sad... :(
Quote from: PH on Sat, 2009-06-27, 22:50:05
Quote from: me... a skin-disease that hasn't been proven yet ...
Quote from: again me... if you stand in the spotlights like he did ...
;D
I get your point. ;D
Quote from: Paco
And Mad, it's true what you just said. Fame can sometimes be a (catalyst for) mental illness. We've seen it quite a lot indeed.
It's really sad... :(
Yes, but why do we, as simple human beings just like the Michaels, the Britney's, the uncountable other famous artists who can't cope with the presure, go along with all of this media attention?
We know how the media can be. Hear a story, 'hey it must be true and it's worth money or something so lets print it. Review it'.
What the media bring us and the real reality are sometimes two entirely different things. :-\
Like you said, they tend to blow things up.
For example, Britney Spears.
Here in Holland we have this program called Shownews, broadcast by SBS (mind you, not my favourite television company >:(.)
When there was news, they deliberately made a fool out of her, laughed about her, made jokes about her...
Okay, she's maybe completely nuts, i don't know since i don't know her ( i only know what i hear on the
news ::)) but who are we to judge over/about her like that?
She's just the same as anybody else.
Only with a different bank account. :-\
Does that make her different?
Quote from: maddox on Sat, 2009-06-27, 23:02:57
Yes, but why do we, as simple human beings just like the Michaels, the Britney's, the uncountable other famous artists who can't cope with the presure, go along with all of this media attention?
We know how the media can be. Hear a story, 'hey it must be true and it's worth money or something so lets print it. Review it'.
What the media bring us and the real reality are sometimes two entirely different things. :-\
Like you said, they tend to blow things up.
For example, Britney Spears.
Here in Holland we have this program called Shownews, broadcast by SBS (mind you, not my favourite television company >:(.)
When there was news, they deliberately made a fool out of her, laughed about her, made jokes about her...
Okay, she's maybe completely nuts, i don't know since i don't know her ( i only know what i hear on the news ::)) but who are we to judge over/about her like that?
She's just the same as anybody else.
Only with a different bank account. :-\
Does that make her different?
I really like this ethical and philosophical stuff! ;)
I agree with you completely Mad. The media are dangerous. The media can make you or break you. In fact, the media are the boss. It's the media who even decide what is important for you to know/talk about. It's the media who decide what music is cool and which movie stars are hot.
- Paco
One has to give Michael credit for having been, for many people, a milestone on the often long and winding road to prog 8)
He was for me, for one *horns*
Believe it or not, some twenty years ago, he was my fave artist for a while.
Nicky.
The media has much to be blamed for. Most starts use the media to become popular and then want to be left alone. I don't know how it is in other countries but the British media (which is possibly one of the worst in the world :o) only has the shades that are used for the printing. Everything here seems to be black or white whereas in my experience most things are shades of grey.
I don't believe Michael had a chance, on stage from the age of 7.
Rest in peace.
Quote from: maddox on Sat, 2009-06-27, 22:29:00
Wacko Jacko.
A name that is bound to be connected with Michael.
People often called him weird. Lunatic if you will.
A chimpanzee as a friend, sleeping in an oxygen-tank, a skin-disease that hasn't been proven yet (mind you, to my knowledge)...
And what's even worse, he was vegetarian :o :o :o
;D
Nicky.
Quote from: maddox on Sat, 2009-06-27, 23:02:57
I get your point. ;D
Willem <=> Alexander ;D
Quote from: maddox on Sat, 2009-06-27, 22:29:00
Just as i said earlier on a Dutch forum ...
It couldnt possibly be the Ayreon-forum ? :D
Quote from: PH on Sat, 2009-06-27, 23:19:52
In fact, the media are the boss. It's the media who even decide what is important for you to know/talk about. It's the media who decide what music is cool and which movie stars are hot.
With us, it's the Room :P
Nicky.
A really lonely and tragic person. May he rest in peace. He was a very talented artist, his legacy for pop music will endure.
Quote from: Nicky007 on Sun, 2009-06-28, 14:10:21
Willem <=> Alexander ;D
Eh, nicky: I understood Paco's joke.
That's not the case with yours however. ???
QuoteIt couldnt possibly be the Ayreon-forum ? :D
It most certainly is not since although the board is Dutch, the 'native' digital language is English and i said that i said it on a Dutch forum.
And with that i meant 'really really really Dutch'. ;)
Quote from: maddox on Sun, 2009-06-28, 21:08:36
It most certainly is not since although the board is Dutch, the 'native' digital language is English and i said that i said it on a Dutch forum.
And with that i meant 'really really really Dutch'. ;)
Progwereld?
I knew it! I knew it!
Quote from: maddox on Sun, 2009-06-28, 21:08:36
Eh, nicky: I understood Paco's joke.
That's not the case with yours however. ???
Well, somehow Willem doesnt understand Alexander, or Alexander doesnt understand Willem, or both Willem and Alexander don't understand why they don't understand each other; else Willem & Alexander would be Willem Alexander.
Don't tell me if you think this sounds dumb ;D
Nicky.
...
You've listened too much Dream Theater. ;D
Quote from: Nicky007 on Mon, 2009-06-29, 10:02:02
Well, somehow Willem doesnt understand Alexander, or Alexander doesnt understand Willem, or both Willem and Alexander don't understand why they don't understand each other; else Willem & Alexander would be Willem Alexander.
Ah yeah, that explains a lot. ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: PH on Mon, 2009-06-29, 10:30:48
You've listened too much Dream Theater. ;D
Whadaya think Bishop Desmond would say to that ? :o
Btw he's black too, so we're almost back on topic (after the usual deviations) ;D
Nicky.
Sorry Nick, as a Dutchman, I only take orders from Calvin. ;D
Quote from: PH on Tue, 2009-06-30, 14:16:33
Sorry Nick, as a Dutchman, I only take orders from Calvin. ;D
Klein? ;)