Hi everyone, I've enjoyed reading comments on this forum & signed-up to ask this question.
I've recently noticed John Mitchell's work after the reforming of It Bites. I've been following his work over the past few months buying Kino - Picture & Frost - Milliontown. I'd like to buy some Arena albums & I'd appreciate some recommendations of which album I should buy first.
My musical tastes are bands like Yes, Genesis, It Bites, Kino, Frost, Evanescence... current fav albums are Frost - Milliontown, Evanescence - Fallen & Kino - Picture.
I'd recommend you to buy the last three albums (Pepper's Ghos, Contagion, Immortal?) at once. If that's beyond your budget, just go for "Pepper's Ghost". You will soon buy the others anyway :)
Welcome to this place, by the way, and a happy new year!
Thanks for the welcome & for your advice. :)
I'll try "Pepper's Ghost" first, if I don't like it, it'll be your fault! ;D ;)
That seems to be the usual pattern, buy one then buy the rest!
QuoteI'll try "Pepper's Ghost" first, if I don't like it, it'll be your fault!
... yes, and then you'll buy Contagion and if you don't like that one either, you'll buy The Visitor and if you don't like that one, we'll have your account deleted ;D
Quote from: JJ II on Mon, 2007-01-08, 13:38:44
... yes, and then you'll buy Contagion and if you don't like that one either, you'll buy The Visitor and if you don't like that one, we'll have your account deleted ;D
which will most certainly NEVER EVR happen 8)
Ahh.. getting some good listening done!
I've added to Pepper's Ghost by buying Contagion which I like slightly better. I think I prefer the vocals .. less Marillion'ish, which was an initial put-off on the first listening, still early days though. I need another few days of listening.
Also what is it with Contagium/Contagious, are they remixes?
So which next? 8)
Contagious/ium have songs that weren't put on the final album because the guys didn't want a double cd. Each has one remix song, but the rest is like Contagion. As a matter of fact, I prefer the songs on those two disc's even better dan Contagion, so I made my own Contagion Max by putting the songs in the right order. You can find the correct order on one of the two disc's when you put it in your pc. My advice is to buy those two aswell to fully appreciate Contagion.
I did my own Contagion max too. It adds to the enjoyment of an excellent albums and makes Clives story totally complete. I guess alot of people have done this. I dont think Arena need to bring out their own Contagion Max. Just concentrate on giving us a new album instead! Although of course they would generate more revenue im sure if they did bring it out!!
Quote from: Appelmoes?? on Fri, 2007-01-12, 18:15:12As a matter of fact, I prefer the songs on those two disc's even better dan Contagion
I wouldn't go as far as that, because Contagion has more songs, but indeed, this SHOULD HAVE BEEN a double disc... Too bad the band wasn't sure about it at first.
I'm going to make a Max myself too and indeed it would've been better, in my view that is, if Contagion was a double album but the Arena boys made it clear that it isn't their policy to make double albums. Well, unless it's a live album. ::) Agree or not, i respect that choice.
And it's just a matter of time before the real 'MAX' will see the light of day. ;D
Clive is such a busy man. ;)
Thanks everyone
I'll get the 2 Contagion EPs next. :)
Quote from: Biscuit on Fri, 2007-01-12, 20:53:30
Thanks everyone
I'll get the 2 Contagion EPs next. :)
You will end up like the rest of us getting the lot.
Quote from: johninblack on Sat, 2007-01-13, 14:04:15
You will end up like the rest of us getting the lot.
Hahaha :D
It happened to all of us! ;)
Whoops... except for me... I still don't have Contagion and the EP's legally... :-[ Still anxiously waiting for Contagion The Max...... And I don't have Pride either...
But I've got all the other albums!!! ;D
Is the Max likely to be released?
Once my EPs arrive, will I be able to see the correct (full Max) track listing from the sleeve notes? I read somewhere that to see the details, you need to run the CD in a computer? :P Following a terrible experience with a Sony music CD where I had to reformat my pc, I have never put an audio CD in my computer since (& never again bought anything from Sony). :-\
Quote from: Biscuit on Sat, 2007-01-13, 20:41:35
Is the Max likely to be released?
Ahh... newbie question:
Quote
Exclusive merchandise; first and foremost our Cage CD's. Coming up: Contagion – The Max! This fifth Cage CD is the 2 CD version of Contagion with the extra tracks of Contagious and Contagium inserted, mixed by Clive Nolan himself. To be released in the first half of 2005 and only available at The Cage.
:)
Hehehehe.
To be released in the first half of 2005... well... we're still waiting, but Clive says it's still on the to-do-list. He hasn't forgotten!
And as someone said earlier, it's better to have him focused on new albums (Arena, Pendragon, N&W(?, please!), Caamora etc.).
And above all that, it's his life and we don't want to push him in all directions.
Or at least, not too much! :D
Hurry up Clive! ;)
Hehehehe
Quote from: Biscuit on Sat, 2007-01-13, 20:41:35
Is the Max likely to be released?
Once my EPs arrive, will I be able to see the correct (full Max) track listing from the sleeve notes? I read somewhere that to see the details, you need to run the CD in a computer? :P Following a terrible experience with a Sony music CD where I had to reformat my pc, I have never put an audio CD in my computer since (& never again bought anything from Sony). :-\
It didn't present to a problem to me, so go ahead. If it does end up in a catastrophe, I'm sure it's a problem in your pc software, rather than the disc's screwing up ;)
I'm an IT support engineer.. it's not my end! 8)
You're not aware of the big problems with Sony music CDs last year? :-\
Yeah, Sony admits that this "protections system" wasn't a good idea, so they won't do it anymore in the future.
Rest asured! :D
Quoteso they won't do it anymore in the future.
Yeah, I always trust record companies & especially Sony! ;D ;)
Quote
Some CD buyers in Texas and California can claim up to $175 each from record company Sony BMG as a result of a legal settlement this week.
Both states took action against the music giant over its "rootkit-style" DRM, designed to prevent PC users from copying music CDs to their hard drives.
The complaints allege that Sony BMG failed to notify consumers of the presence of the DRM on the outer-packaging, and therefore loaded unauthorised software onto their PCs.
Sony used software called XCP (Extended Copy Protection) created for it by British company First4Internet Ltd to prevent copies being made. XCP was dubbed a "rootkit" because it took over basic system level functions, then concealed its presence. The DRM compromised users' security and knocked some CD drives out of action. Uninstallation was only possible by sending a request to Sony BMG's customer support line.
CDs with the DRM had been on the market for several months before a security consultant described its nefarious technical practices. Sony eventually issued an uninstallation tool, and settled a class action suit late last year (site here).
The lawsuits also compensate punters for CDs encumbered with SunComm's MediaMax's 3.0 and 5.0 DRM, which "phoned home" - transmitting user information back to SunnComm.
Sony agreed to pay each state $750,000 in costs, and individuals can claim from $25 to $175, depending on the damage the DRM incurred.
The settlement includes some interesting new disclosure obligations for Sony BMG. For the next 12 months, such DRM should be clearly labelled on the packaging, and also:
In Clear and Conspicuous language, the range of computer system resources, if any, which the DRM software may consumer after installation when the CD is not in use on the computer (e.g., "between .5 per cent and 3 per cent depending on the configuration of your computer");
So the settlement doesn't prevent Sony BMG from trying such tactics again - merely making them more obvious, and these disclosure requirements only lasts a meagre 12 months.
But it's the first time we've seen such a Bloatware Disclosure - unless readers know different? ®
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/20/sony_rootkit_drm_settlement/
Gahh!
Special remixes!????! :-\ ???
Well i am listening to The Visitor and the moment and loving that plus it has John Jowitt on bass
I bought Immortal & The Visitor - I really like The Visitor! Immortal is also good, seems to be played in an older prog style? Pepper's Ghost is now growing on me. My favourite is still Contagion, but I really don't like Contagious/Contagium, those two remixes are awful! ???
Thanks for your advice everyone. How about the other albums? Is Edits another remix thing?
Edits?
Nah, it's nothing special. If you wanna hear the Edits, just buy Pride.
Seriously.
Quote from: PH on Mon, 2007-01-29, 15:52:20
Edits?
Nah, it's nothing special. If you wanna hear the Edits, just buy Pride.
Seriously.
OK, thanks. :)
Quote from: Biscuit on Sat, 2007-01-13, 20:41:35
Is the Max likely to be released?
Errr... Yes. Someday. ;D
Quote from: Biscuit on Sat, 2007-01-13, 20:41:35
Once my EPs arrive, will I be able to see the correct (full Max) track listing from the sleeve notes? I read somewhere that to see the details, you need to run the CD in a computer? :P Following a terrible experience with a Sony music CD where I had to reformat my pc, I have never put an audio CD in my computer since (& never again bought anything from Sony). :-\
I wrote down the so-called 'master tracklist' for the Cage magazine and site, so here it goes:
Witch Hunt
An Angel Falls
Painted Man
On The Edge Of Despair
Vanishing Act
The Hour Glass
This Way Madness Lies
Spectre At The Feast
Never Ending Night
Skin Game
March Of Time
Salamander
On The Box
Contagious
Tsunami
Bitter Harvest
The City Of Lanterns
Riding The Tide
Mea Culpa
I Spy
Confrontation
Cutting The Cards
Ascension
Thank you! :)
Pride is much better than Edits,
Maybe the singalong song, is interesting for to sing yourself. Join the Arena idols
Quote from: Appelmoes?? on Fri, 2007-01-12, 18:15:12
I made my own Contagion Max by putting the songs in the right order. You can find the correct order on one of the two disc's when you put it in your pc. My advice is to buy those two aswell to fully appreciate Contagion.
Can you post the correct order?
thanx
Brunillion
ok.. my .02 worth:
the first Arena album I listened to was The Visitor... and I absolutly loved it! but it has a Marillionish sound to it, so according to your original post, that's not what you want. Maybe the best way to get to know a band its to go in order from their roots so that you can sense their evolution.
Quote from: BRUNILLION on Mon, 2007-04-09, 18:05:33
ok.. my .02 worth:
the first Arena album I listened to was The Visitor... and I absolutly loved it! but it has a Marillionish sound to it, so according to your original post, that's not what you want. Maybe the best way to get to know a band its to go in order from their roots so that you can sense their evolution.
Thanks, I now have every album, except for Edits.
In fact what I do, I buy the worst album and then when I don't like it I don't care for the rest as well, You know the worst album is always very cheap....
If Lion's Cage or Pride had been my first acquaintance with Arena, I probably wouldn't have gone on, and I'd have been real unlucky being oblivious to the fantastic Arena World.
Hardly anybody in Denmark knows Arena, and I only got to know them through foreign friends.
Nicky.
Quote from: Nicky007 on Wed, 2007-07-11, 00:08:42
If Lion's Cage or Pride had been my first acquaintance with Arena, I probably wouldn't have gone on, and I'd have been real unlucky being oblivious to the fantastic Arena World.
If Lion's Cage or Pride never existed i would never know Arena at all. :o
I actually bought Lion's Cage because of the black sticker on it saying it was the band of Clive Nolan and a relatively unknown dude called Mick Pointer. ;D
Quote from: PH on Sat, 2007-01-13, 19:37:42
Whoops... except for me... I still don't have Contagion and the EP's legally...
Oi PH
MAYBE IF PEOPLE LIKE YOU ACTUALLY BOUGHT ARENA MUSIC LEGIT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO TOUR MORE OFTEN!!!
EVER THOUGHT OF THAT?
no affence and all
Smeagal the Merch
Hey Smegal!
Take a look at my listenings profile! ;)
When The Max is released I'll buy it the day it comes out!
Promise!
You'll be waiting a looooooong time, PH. Doesn't look like anybody's doing anything in that direction.
I made my own Max using the three albums. I got it just under 80 minutes leaving out two songs that I didn't like that much.
By the way, there are even hotter renditions of Witch Hunt and other Contagion pieces on Live And Life.
PH, how can you survive without Contagion? Beats me.
Nicky.
Quote from: Nicky007 on Wed, 2007-07-18, 10:42:12You'll be waiting a looooooong time, PH. Doesn't look like anybody's doing anything in that direction.
I made my own Max using the three albums. I got it just under 80 minutes leaving out two songs that I didn't like that much.
Which two songs?
Quote from: Nicky007 on Wed, 2007-07-18, 10:42:12PH, how can you survive without Contagion? Beats me.
Having them as MP3s on my harddisk, I'll survive. The problem is, I want to buy the album, but actually I'd prefer The Max instead of three seperate discs. Something in me says "Wait" and then something else in me says "It will take ages, buy the three discs".
But after buying the three discs The Max will be released and I'll have to buy it again, leaving me with two times the exactly the same music.
I'm not really that much of a collector...
Quote from: PH on Wed, 2007-07-18, 11:26:39
Which two songs?
You make your choice, kiddo. I aint your psychologist. ;D
> Having them as MP3s on my harddisk, I'll survive.
I'll tattle to Clive, PH.
Nicky.
Quote from: PH on Wed, 2007-07-18, 11:26:39
Which two songs?
The remixes?
I just made a double album, so I have all the songs on it. Sicne it's story, I don't like skipping songs, even if I don't like em to much. I will skip the remixes though :D
Quote from: Nicky007 on Wed, 2007-07-18, 11:37:35You make your choice, kiddo. I aint your psychologist. ;D
I was asking which ones you left out smartass...
Quote from: PH on Wed, 2007-07-18, 12:34:23
I was asking which ones you left out smartass...
Hey, you young marsh monsters have learnt some English words that you shouldn't have. ;D
I had to keep the compilation under 80 min to get it onto one CD. So I had to make some unpleasant choices. I don't want to insult the Arena guys, so I wont tell you which songs I left out.
I listen to a lot of different music, some of it whacks my brains pretty badly, so every so often I put on my Contagion Max for pure enjoyment and recreation. Not the worst choice, huh?
Nicky.