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Which groups are prog?

Started by Nicky007, Fri, 2007-09-07, 00:59:38

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Nicky007

Now Opeth and The Reasoning have been included in the prog list.

So, how about Final Conflict, Magenta, Mostly Autumn, Glass Hammer, Rush, Shadow Gallery, Shadowland, Anathema, and Amorphis?

Nicky.
So you've come of age
And so you want to meet God
Sure you can
He's right here next to me

Nicky007

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Quote from: johninblack on Fri, 2007-09-07, 15:32:24
The Stranglers ....

Thanks for your interesting contribution, John.

You think that there's anything by Stranglers that I or any other roomie would go for?

Nicky.
So you've come of age
And so you want to meet God
Sure you can
He's right here next to me

maddox

Let's participate in the discussion.  ;)

Candidates

Amorphis = I have no idea. Never heard anything of them.
Anathema = Used to be absolutely no prog but that's well known in music land. Nowadays they have some elements that could be described as prog but i don't think it is a genuine prog band. Not by a mile.  ;)
Alice In Chains = Interesting. Same as Anathema actually though first reaction that springs to mind is 'grunge'. Overall: no.
Jon Anderson = Being the singer of Yes i'm inclined to say yes but what he has done with Vangelis and solo is ehm...not really prog. I'd say the same category as Asia.
Andromeda = Definitely yes. Anyone who's never heard of them, be ashamed. They're great. Period.  :D
Beatles = hmm, i'm a fan so i should say yes. Saying the Beatles were essential for the next music generation is true because they were. But prog? In the end i'd say no.
Chris Cornell - One of the best rock singers around but .. no.
Coheed And Cambria - Yes in my opinion.
Dark Tranquillity - I really wouldn't know. Have to check them out first.
Deadsoul Tribe - I'd say yes.
Dreamscape - Unknown to me.
Emerson, Lake and Palmer - hmm a bit fushionish prog i'd say.
Final Conflict - heard the tracks on their MySpace site (thank you, John  ;)) and it's prog in my view. Sounds a bit between It Bites and a touch of Asia but i like it.
Glass Hammer - Definitely yes. 1
It Bites - If it is then it's prog-lite, but no. Sorry.
Korn - Won't answer this one.  ;D
Led Zeppelin - This one neither.  :D
Magenta - Yes they are prog.
Mars Volta - Psychedelic? Yes. Prog? ehm...no. Weird? Definitely yes.  :D
Mostly Autumn - Yes.
Muse - Everyone tells me about how good it is but it doesn't shake my spine. So no.
Nolan and Wakeman - Do you really need to ask? Of course it is!  :D
O.S.I. - Difficult one. I'd say yes because of the Fates Warning influences but it has the tendency to sound like Kevin Moore's own projects. A gentle yes for me.
Pagan's Mind - Have no idea. Never heard of them.
Pearl Jam - Grunge anyone?  ::)
Robert Plant - ehm...nope.
Pure Reason Revolution - yes although i recategorize them as neo-prog.
Queen - Sorry but no.
Queensrÿche - Proggish elements but more lifting over to the rock/metal side.
Queens Of The Stone Age ::)
Rush - Yes. One of the builders of prog.
Savatage - Metal yes with some proggish influences. Am in doubt with this one.
Shadow Gallery - Definitely yes.
Shadowland - A yes again.
Skyfire - unkown
Soundgarden - Nope. You could have guessed.  ;)
Britney Spears - ehmmm.... :P
Spiral Architect - Unknown
3 - Yes they are. Great band by the way. Which reminds me to order their album.  :-[
Toto - Great rock band but no. No prog.
Twelfth Night - Familiar name but not their music. No idea.
U2 - One of the best rock bands around but definitely no prog to me.
Wuthering Heights -  Unknown
Frank Zappa - Are you serious?  ???


Not prog

Asia - no indeed. no prog.

But with all this it brings up a new question: What is prog?

There are a lot of variations in the prog genre. We've got Neo-prog, symphonic rock, progressive rock, progressive metal. So that's why with my post i list all of the bands as prog. whatever genre it really is.

Clear?

:D


Cause of Injury: Lack of Adhesive Ducks.

maddox

Quote from: johninblack on Fri, 2007-09-07, 15:32:24

The Stranglers


At first i laughed a bit on this one but it has indeed some elements of prog inside it.
Having said that i'd say no. Sorry John.  ;)
Cause of Injury: Lack of Adhesive Ducks.

johninblack

Quote from: maddox on Fri, 2007-09-07, 16:42:48
At first i laughed a bit on this one but it has indeed some elements of prog inside it.
Having said that i'd say no. Sorry John.  ;)


You got the wrong end of the stick mate. No way would I suggest they are Prog, but they are Progressive within their genre.

maddox

Quote from: johninblack on Fri, 2007-09-07, 16:46:44

You got the wrong end of the stick mate. No way would I suggest they are Prog, but they are Progressive within their genre.

I know. That's why i answered with 'prog elements'. But i always thought that prog. is the abbreviation of 'progressive'.  :-\
Cause of Injury: Lack of Adhesive Ducks.

johninblack

Quote from: maddox on Fri, 2007-09-07, 16:49:14
I know. That's why i answered with 'prog elements'. But i always thought that prog. is the abbreviation of 'progressive'.  :-\


Indeed it is, but there are so many different styles it's very difficult to know exactly when a band begins/stops being Prog. It seems to me there are many progressive bands around that are not what we would call Prog. And probably a few that are not that we do class as Prog, often subject only to our individual opinions.

bluepony

Oh dear... this could go on for hours and hours!  ;)

maddox

Quote from: johninblack on Fri, 2007-09-07, 16:55:46

Indeed it is, but there are so many different styles it's very difficult to know exactly when a band begins/stops being Prog. It seems to me there are many progressive bands around that are not what we would call Prog. And probably a few that are not that we do class as Prog, often subject only to our individual opinions.

Agree. That's why i said this:

Quote from: meBut with all this it brings up a new question: What is prog?

There are a lot of variations in the prog genre. We've got Neo-prog, symphonic rock, progressive rock, progressive metal. So that's why with my post i list all of the bands as prog. whatever genre it really is.

Cause of Injury: Lack of Adhesive Ducks.

maddox

Quote from: bluepony on Fri, 2007-09-07, 16:57:15
Oh dear... this could go on for hours and hours!  ;)

Which is the best way to raise my post count.  ;D

Edit: 2100!!!  *horns*  ;)
Cause of Injury: Lack of Adhesive Ducks.

bluepony

There obviously is a reason why some people here are ranked as Sickos!  ;D

johninblack

Quote from: maddox on Fri, 2007-09-07, 16:58:22
Which is the best way to raise my post count.  ;D

Edit: 2100!!!  *horns*  ;)


Round and round in circles all day, raising post counts, just by changing the arguement slightly each time. Still they are all interesting ideas.

bluepony

You guys should have written for Scream! magazine - we would have been very happy to have such experts!  :)
(Sadly it's no longer possible since the Scream! "died" this year... *sob*)

johninblack

Quote from: Nicky007 on Fri, 2007-09-07, 16:14:58
Thanks for your interesting contribution, John.

You think that there's anything by Stranglers that I or any other roomie would go for?

Nicky.

Probably the best introduction would be to start with Suite XVI, the latest album. After all I've said about them this is probably a bit of a regression BUT after the first 10 albums they lost their Singer/Guitarist, he was replaced by two people. For me and many others the Stranglers always worked best as a 4 piece, on the latest they are back to 4, for some reason with them it works so much better.

Nicky007

#39
Maddox, thanx a lot for your contribution. You simply took the candidates one by one. Fine comments too.


So, it looks like we can include the following groups in the prog list now:

Final Conflict (very much so), Shadow Gallery, Rush, Shadowland, Magenta, Glass Hammer, Mostly Autumn, Nolan And Wakeman, Pure Reason Revolution.


The following groups we seem to agree are not prog:

Queen, U2, Muse, Toto, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden.


Any objections?


And now we seem to need some more opinions on the following candidates:

Andromeda, Coheed And Cambria, Anathema, Amorphis, Queensrÿche, O.S.I., Mars Volta.

Nobody else but me wants to label Alice In Chains as a prog group?

Nicky.



So you've come of age
And so you want to meet God
Sure you can
He's right here next to me

Nicky007

Quote from: maddox on Fri, 2007-09-07, 16:40:21
Frank Zappa - Are you serious?  ???

Well, Paco included Zappa in his prog list.

Nicky.
So you've come of age
And so you want to meet God
Sure you can
He's right here next to me

Bupie

Quote from: johninblack on Fri, 2007-09-07, 15:32:24
4th album - The Raven - Somewhat lighter than the previous, loads more Keys, more melody but still so obviously The Stranglers

Duch of the Terrace never grew up
I hope she never will
...

You put this song back in my head, John. it's been a very long time  ;)



johninblack

Quote from: Bupie on Fri, 2007-09-07, 17:48:12
Duch of the Terrace never grew up
I hope she never will
...

You put this song back in my head, John. it's been a very long time  ;)




Played that earlier, fab song.

maddox

Quote from: Nicky007 on Fri, 2007-09-07, 17:47:04
Well, Paco included Zappa in his prog list.

Nicky.

Is he serious?  ???

;)
Cause of Injury: Lack of Adhesive Ducks.

maddox

You're not giving up on the Alice in Chains and Chris Cornell matter are you Nicky?  :D
Cause of Injury: Lack of Adhesive Ducks.

johninblack


maddox

Quote from: johninblack on Fri, 2007-09-07, 18:04:03
And I thought Zappa was his own genre!

Maybe we should include Lou Reed too.  :D

Now i'm only joking.  ;D
Cause of Injury: Lack of Adhesive Ducks.

johninblack

Quote from: maddox on Fri, 2007-09-07, 18:04:53
Maybe we should include Lou Reed too.  :D

Now i'm only joking.  ;D


Motorhead?

johninblack


maddox

Quote from: johninblack on Fri, 2007-09-07, 18:07:06

Motorhead?

Now i agree with blue: This can go on for hours and hours!  :D
Cause of Injury: Lack of Adhesive Ducks.