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Poll
Question: Which brand of MODERN keyboard is the favorite? (Bear in mind, I cant put 'em all here!!)
Option 1: Korg votes: 9
Option 2: Roland votes: 11
Option 3: Clavia (Nord Lead) votes: 2
Option 4: Yamaha votes: 7
Option 5: Alesis votes: 0
Option 6: Kurzweil votes: 4
Option 7: Other votes: 1
Title: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: keyboardistmatt on Fri, 2005-05-13, 13:02:26
Ok; so here it is... THE keyboard poll! ;D

I'll put the older keyboard poll up next.   ;)

Clive's more than welcome to vote as well!

You are allowed 2 votes each.
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: Moonloop on Fri, 2005-05-13, 15:22:34
Absolutely no idea - so I asked my wife  :-[

She said Yamaha & Korg (she plays a bit y'see.....  ;) )
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: Deenfan on Fri, 2005-05-13, 18:14:14
Korg, of course...

And Kurzweil, although it was a close race against Yamaha :)
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: gelert on Fri, 2005-05-13, 18:40:41
Korg (non-negiotable), and Ronald...

The rest are just girlie sample-based malarkey....

(That should put the cat amongst the pigeons....!)
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: keyboardistmatt on Sat, 2005-05-14, 00:22:06
Quote from: gelert on Fri, 2005-05-13, 18:40:41
Korg (non-negiotable), and Ronald...

The rest are just girlie sample-based malarkey....

(That should put the cat amongst the pigeons....!)

1) Ronald???  Doesn't he have something to do with burgers??   ;D

2) Clavia, Alesis, Kurzweil all make pure synths (Nord Lead, Andromeda, VA1 respectively!) .............So where's this girlie sample-based malarkey then? ;)

The cat seems to be stalking the pigeons...!
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: Peter on Sat, 2005-05-14, 10:14:01
I just put in a vote that will spread the results, cos I just took those that I believe I've seen most....hehe!

And yes, that means that I don't have the foggiest notion about keyboards, apart from that if well used -like Clive does!- they will sound great.
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: gelert on Sun, 2005-05-15, 20:27:07
Ronald....close friend of lynn (the drummer)...


All else is so-much-cheese... (cats like cheese...!)
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: Moonloop on Mon, 2005-05-16, 08:52:48
Quote from: gelert on Sun, 2005-05-15, 20:27:07
Ronald....close friend of lynn (the drummer)...


and Leslie the keyboard player (see other thread  ;D )
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: Appelmoes?? on Tue, 2005-05-17, 17:24:12
I used to have a little baby-piano... :P
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: keyboardistmatt on Fri, 2005-05-20, 01:49:07
Quote from: Appelmoes?? on Tue, 2005-05-17, 17:24:12
I used to have a little baby-piano... :P

I've got an Emu ESynth sampler, which I'm in the process of totally maxing out!  :P ;)

I just wanted you to know that...  ;D
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: Peter on Fri, 2005-05-20, 07:21:55
Well, ....., if only one knew what the heck an Emu ESynth Sampler was.....
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: gelert on Fri, 2005-05-20, 16:59:11
Quote from: Peter on Fri, 2005-05-20, 07:21:55
Well, ....., if only one knew what the heck an Emu ESynth Sampler was.....

It's a sampler, made by EMU, called an ESynth....  ;D
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: Peter on Fri, 2005-05-20, 17:05:37
Quote from: gelert on Fri, 2005-05-20, 16:59:11
It's a sampler, made by EMU, called an ESynth....  ;D

wise-a...! :P
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: keyboardistmatt on Fri, 2005-05-20, 21:41:49
Quote from: Peter on Fri, 2005-05-20, 07:21:55
Well, ....., if only one knew what the heck an Emu ESynth Sampler was.....

Honestly...!  ;)
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: Xanxtuary on Sat, 2005-05-21, 13:38:57
I had to put Yamaha, since me and Hogweed happen to own one!  :)

He's a lot better at playing it than me, but then he's been playing for years whereas I'm just beginning to learn.

Like others have said, it ain't what you use, tis the way that you use it, so the likes of Clive Nolan, Martin Orford, Rick Wakeman, etc, would be able to get a decent tune out of a Stylophone!  Put the best keyboard in front of a total novice like me and all you get is a cacophony of horrid noise, so a lot is to do with the player!
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: keyboardistmatt on Sat, 2005-05-21, 17:23:04
Quote from: Xanxtuary on Sat, 2005-05-21, 13:38:57
Like others have said, it ain't what you use, tis the way that you use it, so the likes of Clive Nolan, Martin Orford, Rick Wakeman, etc, would be able to get a decent tune out of a Stylophone!  Put the best keyboard in front of a total novice like me and all you get is a cacophony of horrid noise, so a lot is to do with the player!

That's right.
But the Proper Keyboard Poll Trilogy is looking at the actual keyboards.  But you alredy knew that! ;)

Quote from: Xanxtuary on Sat, 2005-05-21, 13:38:57
Like others have said, it ain't what you use, tis the way that you use it, so the likes of Clive Nolan, Martin Orford, Rick Wakeman, etc, would be able to get a decent tune out of a Stylophone!

Stylophones are cool!
;D
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: Herben on Fri, 2005-08-05, 00:38:04
I would go for a Clive Nolan Keyboard, the best there is!!
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: gelert on Mon, 2005-08-08, 21:04:12
Quote from: Herben on Fri, 2005-08-05, 00:38:04
I would go for a Clive Nolan Keyboard, the best there is!!

Is it MIDI Compatible...?

If yes, then I'll take 16 of them...!

8)
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: Herben on Mon, 2005-08-08, 21:13:39
Quote from: gelert on Mon, 2005-08-08, 21:04:12
Is it MIDI Compatible...?

If yes, then I'll take 16 of them...!

8)
I'm not a keyboard specialist, what's that MIDI Compatible, as long as it makes nice sounds than it's a good keyboard to me.
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: gelert on Tue, 2005-08-09, 19:51:05
"Most Idiots Demand It"...

I'll now hand-over to KeyboardistMatt who will explain more...


Oh, whatever...

Musical Instrument Digital Interface...a hard/software protocol that enables a variety of hard/software to talk to other hard/software various...

e.g. guitar controls the lighting-desk, keyboards control the sound-desk, drummer triggers keyboard sounds, and the bass-player sits on one note throughout the entire technological experience....

Gas-powered sea-biscuit, complete with Kitten-in-a-Car Park-type-stuff...it sez 'ere.

...er, or something.
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: Herben on Tue, 2005-08-09, 19:55:54
Quote from: gelert on Tue, 2005-08-09, 19:51:05
Most Idiots Demand It...
That's clear enough thank You
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: gelert on Wed, 2005-08-10, 18:20:54
"Most Idiots Demand It"...

Quote from: Herben on Tue, 2005-08-09, 19:55:54
That's clear enough thank You

Hope that you didn't take offence, Herben...  :-[

None meant at all...hence my edit of my previous, to try to clear up any misunderstandings...<insert Naughty Puppy With Tail Down> smiley
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: Herben on Wed, 2005-08-10, 18:54:52
Quote from: gelert on Wed, 2005-08-10, 18:20:54
"Most Idiots Demand It"...

Hope that you didn't take offence, Herben...  :-[

None meant at all...hence my edit of my previous, to try to clear up any misunderstandings...<insert Naughty Puppy With Tail Down> smiley
No I didn't take offence, I just found Most Idiots Demant It it a funny explanation, Yes of course I understand it's a way to connect the keyboard with something else. I think with a computer or something like that. I'm not familiar with Keyboards, I never played on them and I never knew what the possibilities are of a keyboard, I never did any research after them. You can't be educated in everything I think. I just like the noise which it can give especially when Clive Nolan plays on them, he's fantastic. But I didn't take it as an offence, thank You for Your concern, now I'm angry (just joking).
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: keyboardistmatt on Wed, 2005-08-10, 20:06:11
Quote from: gelert on Tue, 2005-08-09, 19:51:05
"Most Idiots Demand It"...

I'll now hand-over to KeyboardistMatt who will explain more...

Musical Instrument Digital Interface

MIDI enables keyboards to play other keyboards, sound modules, synths, etc...
MIDI enables various different equipment to change the patches and sounds of various other equipment...
MIDI enables any MIDI configured gear to exchange MIDI data with other MIDI configured gear...

That should help you... ;)
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: Herben on Wed, 2005-08-10, 20:33:56
Quote from: keyboardistmatt on Wed, 2005-08-10, 20:06:11
Musical Instrument Digital Interface

MIDI enables keyboards to play other keyboards, sound modules, synths, etc...
MIDI enables various different equipment to change the patches and sounds of various other equipment...
MIDI enables any MIDI configured gear to exchange MIDI data with other MIDI configured gear...

That should help you... ;)
Thank You for the explanation, I will keep it in mind Musical Instrument Digital Interface, thanks for the Info
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: Herben on Wed, 2005-08-10, 20:37:43
Oh Yes Keyboardist Matt, I didn't vote here, because (except for MIDI) I don't know anything about keyboards, so my vote would of be no use, but would You like to vote for the best Shadowlandsong, I need more voters, I only have 8.
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: keyboardistmatt on Thu, 2005-08-11, 16:51:06
Hmmmmm... we'll see! ;)
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: Stuart on Wed, 2005-08-17, 21:58:23
Voted for Rolland and Yamaha since I have mostly their gear in my racks. Korg were a close 3rd, but never really had the cash to try anything after the M1, though the Triton was tempting.
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: keyboardistmatt on Sun, 2005-09-04, 13:25:30
Quote from: Stuart on Wed, 2005-08-17, 21:58:23
Voted for Rolland and Yamaha since I have mostly their gear in my racks. Korg were a close 3rd, but never really had the cash to try anything after the M1, though the Triton was tempting.

Perhaps you'd consider looking at my 'Whats in your keyboard rig?' Thread located in the Musician's Corner, or here (http://shattered-room.net/index.php?topic=335.0)
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: johninblack on Sat, 2005-09-10, 08:36:28
Had to vote Korg, had a poly 800 many, many years ago!
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: keyboardistmatt on Sat, 2005-09-10, 14:40:08
Quote from: johninblack on Sat, 2005-09-10, 08:36:28
Had to vote Korg, had a poly 800 many, many years ago!

I've played a Poly 800, not a bad one, that.  Not as good as my Korg Prophecy though! ;)
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: johninblack on Tue, 2005-09-13, 16:53:24
Quote from: keyboardistmatt on Sat, 2005-09-10, 14:40:08
I've played a Poly 800, not a bad one, that.  Not as good as my Korg Prophecy though! ;)

Absolutly not as good, but i'm talking '84/'85 ish and back then it kicked ass!
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: keyboardistmatt on Wed, 2005-09-14, 20:30:15
Quote from: johninblack on Tue, 2005-09-13, 16:53:24
Absolutly not as good, but i'm talking '84/'85 ish and back then it kicked ass!

Fair enough... but there were plenty of others that were even better...

Yamaha DX7 (if you were able to program it...)
The mighty Synclavier... *ola*
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: gelert on Wed, 2005-09-14, 20:36:43
I had a Slightly Minclavier...aka JP6 + Akai S612 (AND QuickDisc data back-up)....
...can I join your club...?

;)
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: keyboardistmatt on Wed, 2005-09-14, 20:40:39
Quote from: gelert on Wed, 2005-09-14, 20:36:43
I had a Slightly Minclavier...aka JP6 + Akai S612 (AND QuickDisc data back-up)....
...can I join your club...?

;)

gelert... come on in!  8)
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: gelert on Wed, 2005-09-14, 20:50:27
I've still got a couple of "QD" MiniDiscs with KILLER choirs and JP6 samples on...

They live in my (no laughing at the back, now...!), lead-lined box, alongside the Steinberg PRO-24 3.5" discs from our first CD...somewhere(?) at the back of the studio cupboard...

..."cross my palm with silver" and they're yours...

Sod that..."cross my palm" with lager, and take them away...LOL
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: keyboardistmatt on Wed, 2005-09-14, 20:59:18
You have a lead lined box???  I.E. everything inside is protected even in a nuclear holocaust??!! 8)

How intriguing! :)

I don't use Quick Disk, though!  Either Flash RAM, Flash ROM, Hard Disk, or Iomega JAZ.

Funny enough, they are all in my sampler... oh well! ;D


Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: gelert on Wed, 2005-09-14, 21:08:06
JAZZ in your sampler...? (being serious for a while, BTW...!)

I could fit ZIP (physically) into my ESI-4000 , but deffo NOT Jazz...

But I do use Jazz as my HD for the Fostex FD-4....

...and ZIP as my data-storage for the ESI...
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: keyboardistmatt on Wed, 2005-09-14, 21:24:29
No, the JAZZ drive is external.  I did look into internal JAZZ and ZIP drives, but any software updates for the ESynth come on floppy disc from the internet, so I have to have a floppy drive. (even though that is the only thing I use the floppy drive for...)

E-MU's ESI series samplers tend to have ZIP as standard though, dont they?
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: gelert on Thu, 2005-09-15, 20:07:12
Quote from: keyboardistmatt on Wed, 2005-09-14, 21:24:29
No, the JAZZ drive is external.  I did look into internal JAZZ and ZIP drives, but any software updates for the ESynth come on floppy disc from the internet, so I have to have a floppy drive. (even though that is the only thing I use the floppy drive for...)
Comes across the internet, via "Floppy"....Confused Of Bicester writes.... ???


Quote from: keyboardistmatt on Wed, 2005-09-14, 21:24:29
E-MU's ESI series samplers tend to have ZIP as standard though, dont they?
Sadly, er, no....the "ESI ZIP-As-Standard" phallacy" is a, er, phallacy...


Quote from: gelert on Wed, 2005-09-14, 21:08:06
JAZZ in your sampler...? (being serious for a while, BTW...!)
I could fit ZIP (physically) into my ESI-4000 , but deffo NOT Jazz...
But I do use Jazz as my HD for the Fostex FD-4.......and ZIP as my data-storage for the ESI...
My JAZZ and ZIP drives are both external, via SCSI...but watch this space.
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: keyboardistmatt on Sat, 2005-09-17, 19:19:19
Quote from: gelert on Thu, 2005-09-15, 20:07:12
Comes across the internet, via "Floppy"....Confused Of Bicester writes.... ???
I download the software updates from E-MU's website, put them onto floppy disc, and load them into the sampler from floppydisc! :)
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: gelert on Mon, 2005-09-19, 20:17:40
GOTCHA...you're one of those clever barstewards that doesn't put his Music PC anywhere near potential Internet virii...

Yup...

Understood.
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: keyboardistmatt on Mon, 2005-09-19, 21:40:02
Pardon?  ???
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: gelert on Tue, 2005-09-20, 20:17:41
Granted.
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: keyboardistmatt on Tue, 2005-09-20, 20:31:52
Ta! ;D
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: Spad on Tue, 2005-10-04, 15:53:24
... although I have an old Roland D-20 (wich I don't play any more...  :'( :'( ), I voted for Clavia and Kurweil, just for these reasons:

- Tomas Bodin (The Flower Kings) has, IMHO, the best sounds I've ever heard of synthesized-hammond and even all the other synth registers are simply great and I think great part of this go to the Clavia-synth (besides of course of his ability using it... )
- Jordan Rudess is, for me, the personification of "The Modern Keyboardist", he is the future, a technical-master.... and his ONLY (yes, just one,as you know.. ) keyboard is a kuerzweil!!! (the documentary on his "keys-world" on the bonus DVD of Live At Budokan, is very impressive... )

But I'm really not a keyboardist, so these are just free thoughts of a not-skilled music listener and lover...  :D

Bye bye.
Spad.

Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: keyboardistmatt on Tue, 2005-10-04, 16:28:29
I believe Jordan Rudess has recently switched to a Korg OASYS, which is supposed to replace his fully loaded Kurzweil K2600.  He was using some rack modules as well, but I think he's trying to phase these out.

Tomas bodin actually uses a Clavia Nord Electro, which isn't a synthesizer at all!  It does have some great sounds though, and Tomas is more than capable of pulling a few things out of it! :)
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: Spad on Tue, 2005-10-04, 17:17:29
Quote from: keyboardistmatt on Tue, 2005-10-04, 16:28:29

.... Clavia Nord Electro, which isn't a synthesizer at all! .....


... I really thought it was.... thanks for the lesson!!  :D So, where does come out his synth-sounds?? Let me understand... he uses the Clavia as a master-key to pilot some
rack-synths????

... and if it's not a synth.... what is it??? Thanks, I'm very ineterested.....  ;)
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: keyboardistmatt on Wed, 2005-10-05, 00:03:26
Quote from: Spad on Tue, 2005-10-04, 17:17:29
... and if it's not a synth.... what is it??? Thanks, I'm very ineterested..... ;)

The Nord Electro is an electromechanical keyboard emulator.  It contains high quality samples of Acoustic Pianos, Rhodes, and Wurlitzer stage pianos, Clavinet, and B3 organ. 

It has no synthesizer or sound editing function, just the afore-mentioned samples, and and effects section.  The 'organ' section contains 9 'digital' drawbars, percussion control, vibrato control, and a manual switch.  The piano section simply uses presence controls.

In the effects section, you have modulations (tremolo, ring mod, etc...), effects (phaser, flanger, etc...), 2-band EQ, and overdrive controls, as well as rotary speaker controls for the organ sounds.

Tomas Bodin's synth sounds come from his Nord Lead 3, and Korg Prophecy synthesizers. There is an 88 note Fatar SL880 MIDI controller there as well, and a rack of modules behind him. 

The rack contains: Akai S5000 (sampler), Novation Supernova (synth), Lexicon MPX500, and MPX100 (effects processors) and a Nord Modular (synth).
There are a couple of others, but they are just power conditioners... :)

Tomas has excellent knowledge of MIDI, and like many other keyboard players he will be able to use virtually any keyboard to play any module (or modules!) in the rack, via MIDI. ;)
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: johninblack on Wed, 2005-10-05, 06:05:11
Quote from: gelert on Thu, 2005-09-15, 20:07:12
...but watch this space.

OK, used up most of my lunch break 'watching this space' and NOTHING HAPPENED. Now I have to go back to work all dissapointed wondering what exciting things are happening in the space.
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: PH on Wed, 2005-10-05, 07:54:06
I voted for YAMAHA and ROLAND.
I have a YAMAHA DGX-205 (which is the same as the YAMAHA PSR-295 but with a pitch bend handle) and I'm very much liking it.
But then again I'm not a keyboardfreak so I wouldn't know which one is best.
But I think YAMAHA and ROLAND are bothe REALLY good.
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: Spad on Wed, 2005-10-05, 09:49:23
Quote from: keyboardistmatt on Wed, 2005-10-05, 00:03:26
The Nord Electro is an electromechanical keyboard emulator.  It contains high quality samples of Acoustic Pianos, Rhodes, and Wurlitzer stage pianos, Clavinet, and B3 organ. 

It has no synthesizer or sound editing function, just the afore-mentioned samples, and and effects section.  The 'organ' section contains 9 'digital' drawbars, percussion control, vibrato control, and a manual switch.  The piano section simply uses presence controls.

In the effects section, you have modulations (tremolo, ring mod, etc...), effects (phaser, flanger, etc...), 2-band EQ, and overdrive controls, as well as rotary speaker controls for the organ sounds.

Tomas Bodin's synth sounds come from his Nord Lead 3, and Korg Prophecy synthesizers. There is an 88 note Fatar SL880 MIDI controller there as well, and a rack of modules behind him. 

The rack contains: Akai S5000 (sampler), Novation Supernova (synth), Lexicon MPX500, and MPX100 (effects processors) and a Nord Modular (synth).
There are a couple of others, but they are just power conditioners... :)

Tomas has excellent knowledge of MIDI, and like many other keyboard players he will be able to use virtually any keyboard to play any module (or modules!) in the rack, via MIDI. ;)

;D  ;D great!!! What a knowledge!!!!  ;D  ;D Why don't you write an article on Wikipedia???  ;)

Thanks, you were very sharp and exaustive with your explanation.... Now I'll look at The Flower Kings concerts with a new interest and attention.....
Cheers.

Davide.





Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: Vanderwoude on Wed, 2005-10-05, 16:31:01
I voted for Yamaha and Roland. I have seen PH's one and I really liked it. I've got a keyboard wich wasn't to expensive (5 octaves) but it sounds fine and I'm really loving playing on it.
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: keyboardistmatt on Wed, 2005-10-05, 19:46:08
Quote from: Spad on Wed, 2005-10-05, 09:49:23
;D  ;D great!!! What a knowledge!!!!  ;D  ;D Why don't you write an article on Wikipedia???  ;)

Thanks, you were very sharp and exaustive with your explanation.... Now I'll look at The Flower Kings concerts with a new interest and attention.....
Cheers.

Davide.

Thanks! :)

I would write an article on Wikipedia, but I never have the time!  ...one day, maybe! :)
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: Appelmoes?? on Wed, 2005-10-05, 22:16:51
Just copy-paste this stuff ;)
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: gelert on Wed, 2005-10-12, 19:19:27
Quote from: gelert on Thu, 2005-09-15, 20:07:12
...but watch this space.

Quote from: johninblack on Wed, 2005-10-05, 06:05:11
OK, used up most of my lunch break 'watching this space' and NOTHING HAPPENED. Now I have to go back to work all dissapointed wondering what exciting things are happening in the space.

Aaaah...So pre-occupied you were (briefly adopts YoDa voice)...

...you failed to fully appreciate the local busking Jazz band, zipping through a rendition of Marillion's "The Space"...
Title: Re: A PROPER keyboard poll!
Post by: keyboardistmatt on Wed, 2005-10-12, 22:43:48
Quote from: gelert on Wed, 2005-10-12, 19:19:27
Aaaah...So pre-occupied you were (briefly adopts YoDa voice)...

...you failed to fully appreciate the local busking Jazz band, zipping through a rendition of Marillion's "The Space"...

These people don't know what they missed!  It was wonderful... ;D