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Started by Nicky007, Mon, 2007-05-21, 13:11:19
Quote from: Bupie on Wed, 2007-07-25, 09:54:29Will be nice to have your opinion on it, Nicky.
Quote from: Bupie on Wed, 2007-07-25, 09:54:29Speaking of reviews, here is another one taken from Progarchives http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=36490 : not from me but it sums up pretty well my feeling about EOP ... that doesn't sound AT ALL like I&W IMHO.I read that some Roomers like this album and I know that most DT fans like it too. That's fine with me (and for James, I guess ) but I don't share their feelings on this one.
Quote from: Bupie on Wed, 2007-07-25, 09:54:29I too felt sorry that James was not more involved in DT's writing process but after listening to EOP, I have a beginning of explanation ...
Quote*abouth EOP: that doesn't sound AT ALL like I&W IMHO.
Quote from: erik on Mon, 2007-10-01, 13:21:52Kudos, Nicky, for your extensive and informative listening profile! And interesting Dream Theater discussion earlier on in this thread (page 1). I love DT! I'm not sure a big change occurred between Scenes and Six Degrees, I think the change between Infinity and Scenes is much bigger. DT did a "Marillion" there (releasing an ambitious, complex, epic concept masterpiece after releasing their most poppy, record company influenced album), Infinity can be viewed as their Holidays In Eden and Scenes as their Brave (and to draw the analogy further, Six Degrees as their Marbles).
QuoteMy thoughts on their albums (from I&W onwards, don't have their debut):Images And Words: Great songs, but I don't like the polished production, least of all the horrible thin '80s plastic sound of the drums (ABWH comes to mind with Bruford on the electronic drum kit). But not to be dismissed as it is one of the foundations of progressive metal.Awake: The first DT album I got, blew me away and still my third favourite DT album. A lot more heavy and aggressive than I&W and a much better production, a more organic and less polished sound. Maybe because I started with this one and got to know I&W later on the latter was a bit of a disappointment. And to all the critics who say DT's music is void of emotion: just listen to Space-Dye Vest!A Change Of Seasons: The title track is a great epic! I don't listen to the live songs often.Falling Into Infinity: Their most "commercial" one, but still good. Love Trial Of Tears and Peruvian Skies.Scenes From A Memory: They wanted to do a classic concept album DT-style and succeeded marvellously! My favourite DT album.Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence: Stunning album, although I prefer and mostly just listen to disc 1. My fourth favourite DT-album.Train Of Thought: They wanted to do a classic metal album DT-style and succeeded marvellously! My second favourite DT-album.Octavarium: I'm divided on this one. It's a good album but it doesn't really capture me somehow, don't know why as it does have all the ingredients and great songs.Systematic Chaos: On my shopping list, the snippets I've heard and the reviews made me drool.
Quote from: Bupie on Mon, 2007-10-01, 16:33:35If I had to make a ranking of DT albums, it would be :1. I&W : Wonderful from beginning to end (agree with you on the drums sound, though). Definitively a classic of prog-metal2. SDOIT : their proggiest and most versatile album. A double CD with zero defect (well, OK, Misunderstood could have been two minutes shorter) !3. FII : it has its ups and downs but the ups (especially Lines in the Sand and Trial of Tears) are very, very up ...4. ACOS : great epic and very emotive Elton John's covers. The other covers are good too.5. Awake : a dark gem but I must admit that I don't play it so often because the most metallish (?) songs don't fit my taste (Lie, The Mirror, Scarred)6. Octavarium : very eclectic. Honestly, there is not one song on it that I don't like but so far, I don't see the masterpiece that others see in the title track7. Systematic Chaos : it lacks a bit of eccentricity but all songs vary from good to excellent. I think an outisde producer would have helped, though8. ToT : I'm not a metal fan so it's not easy for me to swallow this one in one piece but I also lack the great melodies that fulfil their other albums. But every DT fan has to have it, at least for SoC 9. WDADU : good debut album with lot of promises but, all in all, it's just an average heavy metal album IMHO
Quote from: Bupie on Mon, 2007-10-01, 16:33:352. SDOIT : their proggiest and most versatile album. A double CD with zero defect (well, OK, Misunderstood could have been two minutes shorter) !
Quote from: PH on Tue, 2007-10-02, 18:52:41NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOI REALLY like that song from start to very finish!-Paco
Quote from: maddox on Tue, 2007-10-02, 19:02:30Seconded!!! Each to his own of course.
Quote from: maddox on Tue, 2007-10-02, 18:54:07You may have noticed that i not voted for A Change Of Seasons. Though one of the best epics i've ever heard, it isn't really an album. So..
Quote from: Bupie on Mon, 2007-10-01, 16:33:35Very interesting comparison. I must confess that I prefer HiE to Brave and FII to SFAM but, as you can see with my avatar, I don't have problems with albums with a more poppy/commercial approach The difference between the two bands is that Marillion still uses and outside producer when Portnoy and Petrucci handle the production duties since SFAM. It's also amazing to see that, despite playing totally different kinds of music, Marillion and DT share a lot of fans.By the way, am I the only one to thing that Petrucci's solo on Take away my Pain is pure Rothery
Quote from: erik on Wed, 2007-10-03, 13:00:22I also like more poppy, commercial stuff like Asia, ELO, Alan Parsons Project for instance, no problem with that
Quote from: Nicky007 on Wed, 2007-10-03, 13:30:34Hey, come on, Erik, listen once more to the lyrics of Asia and E.L.O.. They're so banal that it makes even early Beatles seem philosophical.I was high on E.L.O. once, long ago, even went to a concert with'm, but I wasn't either thinking much about lyrics in those days. Despite Jeff Lynne's obvious musical talent, he was on automatic pilot when he wrote his lyrics.
QuoteAlan Parsons Project, that's a completely different kettle of fish ("just two lost souls ...."). Alan was around the Floyd guys too much to be run-of-the-mill
Quote from: erik on Wed, 2007-10-03, 19:27:05Another advantage is that with these bands I have someting I can put on that my girlfriend actually likes
Quote from: erik on Wed, 2007-10-03, 19:27:05Good to sing along to in the car
Quote from: Nicky007 on Thu, 2007-10-04, 00:04:38Next thing is that you tell us that you put it on together with the candlelights and Bordeaux for your romantic rendezvous.
Quote from: erik on Thu, 2007-10-04, 09:07:56I'm not telling you what I put on at those occasions , but rest assured that they are Asia-free
Quote from: erik on Wed, 2007-10-03, 13:00:22I also like more poppy, commercial stuff like Asia, ELO, Alan Parsons Project for instance, no problem with that (however Are You Sitting Comfortably and Nomzamo are the only two IQ albums I don't have ).
QuoteVeering into off off topicness here, but I want to make the observation that's a problem with long concept albums, you don't play them often, because they need to be heard from beginning to end and you may not find the moment often, especially not for the double albums. In my case this goes for Brave, Scenes From A Memory, Generation 13, Subterranea, Electric Castle, Wall, Lamb...
Quote from: Bupie on Thu, 2007-10-04, 10:07:49So true : it took me months to get to the end of Subterranea second CD : I always had to leave the home/car before it ended ...
Quote from: Bupie on Thu, 2007-10-04, 10:04:34Yes, you put on the John Wetton solo albums instead
Quote from: PH on Thu, 2007-10-04, 13:57:29I really should try the John Wetton albums. JM's on it eh?
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