Genesis - favorite album + track

[h9]

Hanin, you probably don't know that "sob" is an abbreviation of "son of a bitch." (Not that Iggy isnt one, but that's probably not what you mean here) 

Uups. 
Of course i didn't meant it. In my daily conversation, 'sob' is the abbreviation of 'Sobat'. That means friend. Maybe i was drifted by the nuance of my yahoo forum (Indonesian based).
So, special to Iggy, I really don't meant it guys. 
Thank Nick for your 'shocking' correction 
Btw, i have a different feel when tried to enjoy Prog-rock legend. I have better impression to hear Yes 'Fragile' than Genesis 'Selling England'. And fro me, Genesis 'Selling England' has a same impression with PF 'Wish you were here'.
And i will not change my opinion that without Gabriel and hackett, Genesis are nothing.

[PH]

Btw, i have a different feel when tried to enjoy Prog-rock legend. I have better impression to hear Yes 'Fragile' than Genesis 'Selling England'. And fro me, Genesis 'Selling England' has a same impression with PF 'Wish you were here'.

I don't understand this... I think it has to do with language barrier...
Can you please explain?


-Paco

[Nicky007]

Yeah, Hanin, I didnt either get what you meant here 

And i will not change my opinion that without Gabriel and hackett, Genesis are nothing.

I hope you dont mean that A Trick Of The Tail, Wind And Wuthering, ...And Then There Were Three..., and Duke are inferior albums 

Nicky.

[PH]

A Trick Of The Tail and Wind & Wuthering have Steve Hackett!!

[Deenfan]

Well, this one was easy. Best album - CALLING ALL STATIONS, best song - "SHIPWRECKED" (or any of three or four other songs off the same album).

[h9]

I don't understand this... I think it has to do with language barrier...
Can you please explain?

OK Paco i'll try it.
"Different feel" means this term : not same (stand in different level).
My impression for Yes is quite different with both Genesis or Pink Floyd.
In other case, i will give 5.0 for Yes, and 4.5 for Genesis and Pink Floyd.
These point represent my feeling (impression).

I hope you dont mean that A Trick Of The Tail, Wind And Wuthering,

Of course not, and Paco has answered it.

...And Then There Were Three..., and Duke are inferior albums 

Yeah, i still can't enjoy those album 

[PH]

I can hear that on And Then There Were Three, they were struggling a lot with which way to go. There are (in my opinion) not really strong tracks on there.
The sound is somewhat in between Wind & Wuthering and well... yeah what exactly?
Duke on the other hand, is COMPLETELY different from Wind & Wuthering, but still it sounds soooo fresh! It STILL sounds fresh!
They took a big step and obviously you need a lot of courage to do that.
I'm not saying I like Duke better than Wind & Wuthering, but I do prefer it over And Then There Were Three.

-Paco

[Deenfan]

  Duly ignored!!

[PH]

Since you're asking our attention:
Personally, I think Calling All Stations is a VERY beautiful album. Nice pop songs and some nice pop/rock. I really like Ray Wilson's voice!
It's Genesis' fifth era. And I would have liked to see where they were going to.
Era 1: Peter Gabriel years. [Raw "True" Progressive Rock]
Era 2: A Trick Of The Tail, Wind & Wuthering [Dreamy Progressive Rock]
Era 3: And Then There Were Three, Duke, Abacab [Pop influenced Prog]
Era 4: Genesis, Invisible Touch, We Can't Dance [Pop]
Era 5: Calling All Stations [Pop/Rock]

[Nicky007]

Nice, precise & evocative description, Paxi 

Only, apart from Ray's gripping voice, I find Calling All Stations rather listless 

But now that it's on your list, I think I'l give it another spin ..... 

Nicky.

[h9]

Era 1: Peter Gabriel years. [Raw "True" Progressive Rock]
Era 2: A Trick Of The Tail, Wind & Wuthering [Dreamy Progressive Rock]
Era 3: And Then There Were Three, Duke, Abacab [Pop influenced Prog]
Era 4: Genesis, Invisible Touch, We Can't Dance [Pop]
Era 5: Calling All Stations [Pop/Rock]

Era 1: Introduction (From Genesis to revelation)
Era 2: Going to the top Era (Trespass and Nursery Crime)
Era 3: Golden Era (Foxtrot - Selling England - Lamb Lies)
Era 4: Silver Era (a trick  and wind and wuthering)
Era 5: Going to fall era (and then there were and duke)
Era 6: Dark age (abacab till calling)

Gabriel-Hackett Rule!   

[Nicky007]

That was quite a trick of the tail, Hanin 

Nicky.

[PH]

Actually there are fifteen eras.
And every era has at least one brilliant album in that era.

[h9]

And every era has at least one brilliant album in that era.

At least one brilliant album from different band. (another trick of the tail Nick?  )
After Hackett left Genesis, Marillion came to save us .... 

[PH]

Yeah, and after Fish left Marillion, Steve Hogarth came to save us!

[Bupie]

Yeah, and after Fish left Marillion, Steve Hogarth came to save us!

I'd rather say : after Fish left Marillion, Arena came (a few years later, I admit) to save us 

[Nicky007]

... and now I'v come to save you guys (from making total fools of yourselves) 

Nicky.

[Nicky007]

I can hear that on And Then There Were Three, they were struggling a lot with which way to go. The sound is somewhat in between Wind & Wuthering and well... yeah what exactly?

Duke, Paco. I was just struck by how much Three reminded me of Duke, particularly some of the later tracks.

I do miss Steve Hackett on Three - well, which Genesis fan wouldnt - but I also do find a lot of great music on it. I'm having a much harder time with the post-Abacab albums.

Well, my style is to keep at it, until the picture is reasonably clear. Genesis sure are worth it 

Thanks, Paxi, for reviving my interest in this great group !

Nicky.

[maddox]

I do miss Steve Hackett on Three - well, which Genesis fan wouldn't - but I also do find a lot of great music on it. I'm having a much harder time with the post-Abacab albums.

I miss Steve Hackett on every album that Genesis released after SH left. 

One of the big big mistakes Genesis made was to let Steve Rutherford do the guitar parts.
Why not Daryl Steurmer? That man knows how to play the strings.

[Nicky007]

One of the big big mistakes Genesis made was to let Steve Rutherford do the guitar parts.

That's probably the reason why Genesis gradually lost the ethereal part of their music after W&W, and rhythms took over more and more; and then they lost it altogether 

Nicky.

[maddox]

That's probably the reason why Genesis gradually lost the ethereal part of their music after W&W, and rhythms took over more and more; and then they lost it altogether 

Nicky.

Not entirely.
Mike Rutherford and Tony Banks once admitted that it was Phil Collins who said that there were other ways to be more successful.
On ...And Then There Were Three they clearly were still searching to the right sound but with every album they made ever since the pieces of the big success-puzzle came falling in the right place.
Not that Genesis became money-wolves (don't know the exact English saying for that) but it did make them less sympho/proggier than before.

Though it's undeniably true that it was good for their wallets. 

[PH]

Thanks, Paxi, for reviving my interest in this great group !

You're welcome!

I miss Steve Hackett on every album that Genesis released after SH left. 

I miss Steve Hackett on every album and band.
Although, John Mitchell is also very good.


-Paco

[Nicky007]

Although John Mitchell is also very good.

But he doesnt play golf .....

Nicky.

[keyboardistmatt]

I cannot answer the album question definitively, because they all have a piece of magic in them.  If I had to tell you my favorite albums they would be:-  Wind and Wuthering, ...And then there were three, Genesis, and Invisible Touch.

As for favorite track, that would be "Domino".

I'd probably get some stick for that little selection, but I don't care.

[Iggy]

I cannot answer the album question definitively, because they all have a piece of magic in them.  If I had to tell you my favorite albums they would be:-  Wind and Wuthering, ...And then there were three, Genesis, and Invisible Touch.

As for favorite track, that would be "Domino".

I'd probably get some stick for that little selection, but I don't care.

Here you are

a beating stick