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'Best Of Arena' Album

Started by Clive, Thu, 2005-02-17, 23:06:14

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Idius Tidius

Hello Clive

I am an avid fan.Something you and the guys in Arena will need to think about is... which versions of each song to you put on it. Live/Studio. For example I think state of grace from breakfast is miles better than the origonal on visitor. Also how much of the older stuff do you put on.

Also...Put the rock version of crying for help VII but recorded in studio on the best of as it is a classic live.

1.The Chosen
2.Smoke and Mirrors
3.The Butterfly Man
4.Bedlam Fayre
5.Witch hunt
6.Skin game
7.Painted Man
8.Hanging Tree Live (Breakdast in biaritz version)
9.Soloman Live (life and live version)
10.Crying for help VII Rock Version
11.Revamped valley of kings
12.Revamped fools gold

Mattias

As long as "Sirens" is on it I'm happy :)

Gollum

Mmm... A few Ideas.
In I understood well, this is supposed to be mainly an intro to Arena, though it may include some "highlights" for the fans. Considering this, songs should be chosen according some criteria:
- Show the best of the band, so people will like it. What is the best is something subjective, but at least we can search the best examples of certain characteristics of the band
- Show what the band is today, and therefore what can you expect for the near future.
- Show briefley what the band was, so you still get linked to previous works. Besides, any "newcomer" should be aware of what "hits" will drive everyone crazy at his first Arena concert ;)
Following this concepts, I can make a few suggestions, though I won't do it right now because I've posted a lot and my brain is running dry (and my spanish-english dictionary too :P). So, this post will be edited soon to add them.
La vergüenza de haber sido y el dolor de ya no ser

kjell noer

I would recommend a "commercial best of" with a bonus disc:

Disc 1:
1. A Crack In the Ice (Edit)
2. Double Vision
3. The Hanging Tree
4. (Don't Forget To) Breathe
5. Enemy Without (Edit)
6. Chosen
7. The Butterfly Man
8. Friday's Dream
9. Witch Hunt (Edit)
10. Painted Man
11. Spectre At the Feast
12. Skin Game
13. Salamander
14. Bedlam Fayre
15. Smoke & Mirrors
16. The Eyes of Lara Moon

Disc 2:
1. Jerico (New Recording)
2. Salomon (New Recording)
3. Valley of Kings (New Recording)
4. Empire of a Thousand Days (New Recording)
5. Sirens (New Recording)
6. Opera Fanatica

keyboardistmatt

Quote from: Peter on Fri, 2005-02-18, 09:44:02
1. Purgatory Road (you should try and get airplay for that one, it would surely make it to the charts!)

Seconded!
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The_Lurker

Clive, thanks for asking!

These are essentials in my opinion:

Solomon
Crack in the Ice
The Hanging Tree
Don't Forget to Breathe
The Butterfly Man
Witch Hunt
Ascension
Smoke and Mirrors

Anything else you want to add is gravy, in my book.  ;)

psychopomp95

I have a NINE-minute version of "The Hanging Tree" complete with the full end solo, which I think would be ESSENTIAL to put onto any Arena compilation! ;D That solo (which is on "The Visitor", of course, I've just made my own custom song by splicing two parts together) is one of the best I've ever heard by ANY guitarist!!
Of course, I don't think my version in particular would be the one to use :P , but wouldn't it be fairly simple for the band to do what I've done, using the actual MASTER tapes? Basically, include "The Hanging Tree" but use the full solo, which must have been on there before they ended it for the album (and if not, splice the solo from "The Visitor" in)! Shouldn't be too difficult, and I think it'd draw in PLENTY of fans if they heard it! ;)

ravenheart

If you want it to appeal to the converted, it simply *must* have unreleased tracks on it.

Either new songs, or as people have said, old ones rerecorded with Rob, or unreleased live songs. Maybe you have some live recordings of songs from other gigs that aren't on the currently available live albums?

But there's got to be something to make it worth buying for those that already have all the CDs.

Herben

Quote from: Deenfan on Thu, 2005-02-17, 23:22:17
Well, being an old record collector, I have a database I always can rely upon. Naturally, I haven't rated "Pepper's Ghost" yet, but I guess others will have ideas on which songs to add from it. These are the best Arena songs imo, rating in () :

Ascension (6)
Witch hunt (6)
Fallen idols (6-)
Moviedrome (6-)
Sirens (6-)
Chosen (live) (5+)
Fool's gold (5+)
Friday's dream (5+)
Ghost in the firewall (5+)
The butterfly man (5+)
An angel falls (5)
Empire of a thousand days (5)
Isolation (5)
Jericho (5)
Never ending night (5)
Salamander (5)
Tears in the rain (5)
The city of lanterns (5)
This way madness lies (5)

The live tracks are from "Breakfast in Biarritz", and means I found the live version to have something extra.

One man's voice there...
Can't You do better than a 6!!!!!!!!!
Walk along the Waterfall, watching as the world turns red
Wonder where the river flows, and the blood on the River bed
Poison lies to close to us, Reach across the salt and Sand
Moving Deeper into the Land

Herben

If I would have to make a Selection I haven't checked if I stay 92:28

1 Welcome to the Cage  4:13
2 Hanging Tree        7:09
3 State of Grace        3:26
4 Empire of a Thousand Days  9:33
5 Fools Gold           9:36
6 Eyes of Lara Moon     4:30
7 Moviedrome          21.56
8 Jericho                   6:49
9 Solomon               14:36
10 Cutting the Cards    4:57
11 The Healer           5:43

If I have to leave a song out I would choose Fools Gold / Welcome to the Cage
Walk along the Waterfall, watching as the world turns red
Wonder where the river flows, and the blood on the River bed
Poison lies to close to us, Reach across the salt and Sand
Moving Deeper into the Land

Teunis

Quote from: Herben on Thu, 2005-07-14, 22:15:20
Can't You do better than a 6!!!!!!!!!
It must be a scale with 6 stars, otherwise I can't explain it either ;D
'I will surrender my heart to the sky
Oh, our love doesn't end here, it lives forever on the wings of time'
-------------------------------------------------------
Toto - Wings of time (Kingdom of Desire)

Deenfan

Of course it's a scale up to 6!!!!! In Norway, all is measured by the six sided dice. Or die. I double dare you to find a newspaper without at least one die on the front page, because a movie or an album or whatever has been rated. It's all the rage for the 20th year in a row... ::)

Herben

Quote from: Teunis on Fri, 2005-07-15, 08:27:09
It must be a scale with 6 stars, otherwise I can't explain it either ;D
Sorry my excuses
Walk along the Waterfall, watching as the world turns red
Wonder where the river flows, and the blood on the River bed
Poison lies to close to us, Reach across the salt and Sand
Moving Deeper into the Land

keyboardistmatt

Quote from: Herben on Fri, 2005-07-15, 18:00:30
Sorry my excuses

Its strange... my scales are usually up to 12! ???
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Herben

Quote from: keyboardistmatt on Fri, 2005-07-15, 18:48:44
Its strange... my scales are usually up to 12! ???
That is also another scale, why doe You guys make it so difficult, just use a scale 1-10, than You won't get misundserstanding, so Keyboardist Matt you take a factor 0.83333 and the other guy Deen take a factor 1,66666, so You get a logic scale.
Walk along the Waterfall, watching as the world turns red
Wonder where the river flows, and the blood on the River bed
Poison lies to close to us, Reach across the salt and Sand
Moving Deeper into the Land

Herben

Quote from: Deenfan on Thu, 2005-02-17, 23:22:17
Well, being an old record collector, I have a database I always can rely upon. Naturally, I haven't rated "Pepper's Ghost" yet, but I guess others will have ideas on which songs to add from it. These are the best Arena songs imo, rating in () :

Your rating will be for example:
Ascension (6)     = 10
Witch hunt (6)    = 10
Fallen idols (6-)   = 9,6
Moviedrome (6-)  = 9,6
Sirens (6-)           = 9,6
Chosen (live) (5+)  = 8,7
Fool's gold (5+)      = 8,7
Friday's dream (5+)  = 8,7
Ghost in the firewall (5+)  = 8,7
The butterfly man (5+)   = 8,7
An angel falls (5)            = 8,3
Empire of a thousand days (5)  = 8,3
Isolation (5)        = 8,3
Jericho (5)          = 8,3
Never ending night (5)    = 8,3
Salamander (5)            = 8,3
Tears in the rain (5)       = 8,3
The city of lanterns (5)     = 8,3
This way madness lies (5)   = 8,3

The live tracks are from "Breakfast in Biarritz", and means I found the live version to have something extra.

One man's voice there...
Walk along the Waterfall, watching as the world turns red
Wonder where the river flows, and the blood on the River bed
Poison lies to close to us, Reach across the salt and Sand
Moving Deeper into the Land

keyboardistmatt

Quote from: Herben on Fri, 2005-07-15, 19:13:53
That is also another scale, why doe You guys make it so difficult, just use a scale 1-10, than You won't get misundserstanding, so Keyboardist Matt you take a factor 0.83333 and the other guy Deen take a factor 1,66666, so You get a logic scale.

Nope! 1 - 12! - That's it...

That'll be a good idea. ;D
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Constable Hogweed

Whatever is on the album, its bound to be freakin' brilliant.  :)

Highfire

Well, I've done my own "Best Of". First track-list was made of more than 20 songs and about 2 hours  :o ... so I've made some cuts. It has one song from every album (except The Cry) and includes one live track... the album's title, as I said before, could be "From Lions To Ghosts - The Best Of Arena", and the track list:

1.   Solomon (Songs From The Lions Cage)
2.   Jericho (Songs From The Lions Cage)
3.   Medusa (Pride)
4.   Sirens (Pride)
5.   (Don’t Forget To) Breathe (The Visitor)
6.   The Hanging Tree (The Visitor)
7.   The Butterfly Man (Immortal?)
8.   Painted Man (Contagion)
9.   Spectre At The Feast (Contagion)
10.   Ascension (Live & Life)
11.   Tantalus (Pepper’s Ghost)
12.   Opera Fanatica (Pepper’s Ghost)

There can really be hundreds of possible and great track lists, but that's mine.

Bye bye
We have been chosen...

keyboardistmatt

It's all well and good putting the epics onto the CD... but the Moviedromes, Solomons, Hanging Trees, etc... of the catalogue will use up the whole CD on their own!! :)

Don't forget that the guys are trying to keep this to one disc; that means there can only be up to 80 minutes of music at the most... including any CD ROM enhancements that might go on there!

Just a thought... ;)
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Highfire

Yes, that's true. The "Epics" would take a lot of time, but ... is it possible to represent what's Arena's music without them? I don't think so.

But the DVD solution is great!!! ;)
We have been chosen...

Cagemember 321

OK, I try my best too:

First, a special Version of Moviedrome, like "Shine on you crazy diamonds" in two parts, at the beginning and at the end of the album.
And as a special surprise to the "real" fans: all tracks are new recorded!

Representative for Arena could be the following tracklist:

1. Moviedrome, Part 1
2. Solomon
3. Welcome to the cage
4. Jericho - Live 97
5. Only child
6. The Hanging tree
7. (Don´t forget to) breathe
8. Crying For Help VII - Live 2001
9. Painted man
10. Ascension
11. Smoke and Mirrors
12. Moviedrome, Part 2
13. Friday´s dream

What about this collection?  :o

Angel-of-Music

Oh, Rob should totally record some of the older stuff! I could listen to his voice forever - he is just the coolest guy ever!!!!

Ahem...

Whatever else, just make sure to include Friday's Dream and Ascension......cos they are my favourites

cabo

What about the title : "reservoir" or "reveal" for an compilation album?

Wiebe

Maybe you can include:
an instrumental song, have to think about that one
2 "jump songs": Jericho and Solomon
1 emotional song: Crying for Help IV
1 happy song: Welcome to the Stage
a few from the Visitor, Immortal, Contagious and Pepper's Ghost.

Anyway in my opinion The Visitor is the best of them all!!! Put a few of Visitor on the disc.

Enjoy X-mas 2005!!!

Wiebe