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Official ARENA Forum => ARENA Albums => Topic started by: Micha on Sun, 2006-02-19, 17:32:44

Title: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Micha on Sun, 2006-02-19, 17:32:44
Has anybody of you detailed informations about the new Arena DVD release ??

All the best,
Michael
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Peter on Sun, 2006-02-19, 17:36:38
Hmmm, and you seem to already know the title... did I miss/forget something?
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Micha on Sun, 2006-02-19, 17:39:09
Quote from: Peter on Sun, 2006-02-19, 17:36:38
Hmmm, and you seem to already know the title... did I miss/forget something?

Look here:
http://www.justforkicks.de/detail.asp?sid=895502M89N56N17N145&uid=0&id=5203&lid=1 (http://www.justforkicks.de/detail.asp?sid=895502M89N56N17N145&uid=0&id=5203&lid=1)
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Teunis on Sun, 2006-02-19, 17:48:36
Awesome. Count me in for that DVD  8).
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Peter on Sun, 2006-02-19, 17:49:08
 :o

hmmm, I found this post (http://shattered-room.net/index.php?topic=465.msg6219#msg6219), where JJII talks about the DVD plans. That was September 2005. Add 6 to 9 months for sighting and choosing material, production etc. and you get March to May 2006.
There was no news on the web site, the mailing list, the fan club or in here since then, also no word on InsideOut and SPV.

If this was to be true, it'd be really great, and I'd desperately like to know where they have the info from...

Apart from that: I WANT ONE :D

Clive???
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: maddox on Sun, 2006-02-19, 18:34:04
Quote from: Peter on Sun, 2006-02-19, 17:49:08
:o

hmmm, I found this post (http://shattered-room.net/index.php?topic=465.msg6219#msg6219), where JJII talks about the DVD plans. That was September 2005. Add 6 to 9 months for sighting and choosing material, production etc. and you get March to May 2006.
There was no news on the web site, the mailing list, the fan club or in here since then, also no word on InsideOut and SPV.

If this was to be true, it'd be really great, and I'd desperately like to know where they have the info from...

Apart from that: I WANT ONE :D

Clive???

Count me in too.  :)

This is good news indeed.

MAD.
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Appelmoes?? on Sun, 2006-02-19, 18:45:36
I think it's weird there is no mention of it on the site ???
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Micha on Sun, 2006-02-19, 18:49:42
I´ve just ordered one at Just For Kicks. So let´s see what happens...
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: maddox on Sun, 2006-02-19, 18:51:14
Quote from: Appelmoes?? on Sun, 2006-02-19, 18:45:36
I think it's weird there is no mention of it on the site ???

After reading this topic i began to search the web for it, but indeed, there's no news anywhere. Not that i found that is.

But who cares? As long as it's true i don't.  :D

MAD.
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Micha on Sun, 2006-02-19, 18:58:35
There´s another link:

http://www.rockserwis.pl/ProductPresentationForm.php?lang=1&ProductID=67801&s=zp (http://www.rockserwis.pl/ProductPresentationForm.php?lang=1&ProductID=67801&s=zp)
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Micha on Sun, 2006-02-19, 19:08:50
Now I´ve found what I´m searching for:

http://www.fonopress.com/arena-p-34774.html (http://www.fonopress.com/arena-p-34774.html)

What a brilliant setlist !!
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: PH on Sun, 2006-02-19, 19:19:21
Quote from: Micha on Sun, 2006-02-19, 19:08:50
Now I´ve found for what I´m searching for:

http://www.fonopress.com/arena-p-34774.html (http://www.fonopress.com/arena-p-34774.html)

What a brilliant setlist !!

Only just 4 songs of the Pepper's Ghost album?
And there are 6 songs of The Visitor?!
3 of Immortal??
2 of Contagion, 2 of SFTLC and 2 of Pride.......

It seems more like a Visitor live album (alright, alright, they played a whole lot of The Visitor indeed...)

I can't believe this is true. I think it's just a hoax. (I wonder what Silhobbit says...)

Where is the official news of Arena's website and where is Clive?

CLIVE!!! HELP ME!! HEEEEEEEEELP ME!! OOOOOOHHHHHHOOOHHHHHHHOOOOOHHHHH HEEEELP MEEEEEEE!
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: JJ II on Sun, 2006-02-19, 19:34:08
I can tell you... there will be some surprise as well.... ;)

Don't exactly what,... and what I do know, I'm not supposed to tell, but it is great!
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: johninblack on Sun, 2006-02-19, 19:45:13
Quote from: JJ II on Sun, 2006-02-19, 19:34:08
I can tell you... there will be some surprise as well.... ;)

Don't exactly what,... and what I do know, I'm not supposed to tell, but it is great!


Thats cruel taunting us like that! Anyway you can tell us we won't tell anyone.
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: PH on Sun, 2006-02-19, 19:49:30
Quote from: johninblack on Sun, 2006-02-19, 19:45:13
Thats cruel taunting us like that! Anyway you can tell us we won't tell anyone.

Yeah, how about a PM to the ones who want to know (so you don't have to put it here for anyone to see).
That way it will be a secret for the people who don't like to spoil the whole thing.
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: sammi on Sun, 2006-02-19, 23:33:10
wot could the surprise possably be bye the DVD and get Contagion Max free!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D if only
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: JJ II on Sun, 2006-02-19, 23:54:24
Nope... it's something else... [hint] follow the links and read carefully [/hint] ;)
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Saryna on Sun, 2006-02-19, 23:58:33
Thanks for the links!  Very nice!  I knew there was one coming out but didn't know it was already.  A very good cover art too.  What are those things floating around them supposed to be.......dollar bills?? ;)

Hope so, for their sake.  Thanks for the heads up! :)
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Appelmoes?? on Mon, 2006-02-20, 00:18:33
Quote from: JJ II on Sun, 2006-02-19, 23:54:24
Nope... it's something else... [hint] follow the links and read carefully [/hint] ;)
Do you mean the live-album?
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: PH on Mon, 2006-02-20, 08:33:34
it contains 2 DVDs
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: JJ II on Mon, 2006-02-20, 10:40:45
QuoteDo you mean the live-album?

Nope...

Quoteit contains 2 DVDs

That's not what I meant either...

please guys: go to the links and READ carefully... :D
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Clive on Mon, 2006-02-20, 10:51:44
There will be a DVD coming out in late March.... called 'Smoke and Mirrors'.
This will be a film of the Arena gig in Katowice that they played during the last tour.
There will be some interesting extra footage, including material from the gig in Holland which brought the Visitor line up back together.... as well as photos and interviews.
I believe the first thousand will be a limited edition with a CD soundtrack as well.

There we are....;)
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: PH on Mon, 2006-02-20, 11:27:26
Quote from: Clive on Mon, 2006-02-20, 10:51:44
There will be a DVD coming out in late March.... called 'Smoke and Mirrors'.
This will be a film of the Arena gig in Katowice that they played during the last tour.
There will be some interesting extra footage, including material from the gig in Holland which brought the Visitor line up back together.... as well as photos and interviews.
I believe the first thousand will be a limited edition with a CD soundtrack as well.

There we are....;)

Thanks for bringing us the light, Clive!

Quote from: Clive on Mon, 2006-02-20, 10:51:44I believe the first thousand will be a limited edition with a CD soundtrack as well.
What do I have to expect from a 'soundtrack'?? ???
Soundtrack to what? A movie? A story by Clive?
What's the definition of a soundtrack?

This is GREAT news!!
I'm going to collect as much money as I can! I think I saw a few cents under my bed somewhere...
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: JJ II on Mon, 2006-02-20, 13:07:54
QuoteWhat's the definition of a soundtrack?

I think it's the DVD on CD....
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: PH on Mon, 2006-02-20, 13:11:02
Quote from: JJ II on Mon, 2006-02-20, 13:07:54
I think it's the DVD on CD....

Like Caught in the act and Live and Life?
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Clive on Mon, 2006-02-20, 15:53:07
It will be an hour of music from the show...
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: PH on Mon, 2006-02-20, 15:57:37
Ooooooooooohhhh this is so cool :o

I can't wait.
When is it released?
Before or after Contagion The Max? ;D
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: johninblack on Mon, 2006-02-20, 16:21:29
Quote from: Clive on Mon, 2006-02-20, 10:51:44
There will be a DVD coming out in late March.... called 'Smoke and Mirrors'.

Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: keyboardistmatt on Mon, 2006-02-20, 23:00:15
Quote from: Clive on Mon, 2006-02-20, 10:51:44
There will be a DVD coming out in late March.... called 'Smoke and Mirrors'.
This will be a film of the Arena gig in Katowice that they played during the last tour.
There will be some interesting extra footage, including material from the gig in Holland which brought the Visitor line up back together.... as well as photos and interviews.
I believe the first thousand will be a limited edition with a CD soundtrack as well.

There we are....;)
Cool!

. o 0 O(I wonder if some of the first thousand could be reserved for us Shattered Room regulars...?) 8)
Very cheeky thought, I know, but worth a try! ;D
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: PH on Mon, 2006-02-20, 23:10:31
Quote from: johninblack on Mon, 2006-02-20, 16:21:29


yeah... thanks. :-\

But that doesn't answer my question:

Quote from: PH on Mon, 2006-02-20, 15:57:37When is it released?
Before or after Contagion The Max? ;D
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Peter on Tue, 2006-02-21, 00:02:11
Clive, thank you for enlighting us, this is great news indeed: more ARENA material! Great!

Here's what Clemens from justforkicks.de told me after I wrote him an email yesterday night:
QuoteHallo Peter,
diese DVD wird erneut durch Metal Mind Productions / Polen produziert. Da
wir in engem Kontakt zu MMP stehen , sind wir über deren VÖs entsprechend
informiert. Wir erwarten das Produkt in ca 2 Wochen - ich würde mich freuen,
wenn Du entsprechende Infos in Deinem Forum weitergeben würdest.

Gruß,
Clemens

just for kicks music

Which basically means that the DVD is produced by Metal Mind Productions in Poland and justforkicks have good connections to them, that's why it's already on their catalogue. Why they put 28.02. as release date, but Clive said late March I still can't say. I just asked him that in return, and I'm waiting for an answer now.

@Clive: how's that with the Special Edition special quota for the (very special) forum users ... ? :D
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: cabo on Tue, 2006-02-28, 08:39:32
Will this new DVD be offered through Verglas or play.com?
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: PH on Tue, 2006-02-28, 16:25:22
Quote from: cabo on Tue, 2006-02-28, 08:39:32
Will this new DVD be offered through Verglas or play.com?

I bet you can be sure to find it on Verglas soon enough, like any other Arena(related) stuff.
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Peter on Tue, 2006-02-28, 19:59:27
I ordered it through rockserwis.pl :D
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: cabo on Tue, 2006-02-28, 21:47:13
but why isnt Verglas shop offering it yet?  ???
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Clive on Wed, 2006-03-01, 08:50:43
Because it isn't available to sell yet. We haven't finished piecing the elements together, so I'm still running with my estimate of late March.
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Wilford Jr. on Wed, 2006-03-01, 17:49:21
Quote from: Clive on Wed, 2006-03-01, 08:50:43
Because it isn't available to sell yet. We haven't finished piecing the elements together, so I'm still running with my estimate of late March.

But I would like one of the limited editions of the DVD.  Will these be available through the Verglas site?
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: maddox on Wed, 2006-03-01, 18:34:05
Quote from: Wilford Jr. on Wed, 2006-03-01, 17:49:21
But I would like one of the limited editions of the DVD.  Will these be available through the Verglas site?

*Praying for "Yes, it will"*

;D

MAD.
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: keyboardistmatt on Wed, 2006-03-01, 19:12:31
Of course it will!  It's only right. :)
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: _PM_ on Fri, 2006-03-03, 11:44:12
In polish Media Markt's it should be this monday (06.03.06) :D
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: JJ II on Fri, 2006-03-03, 15:18:04
Quoteit should be this monday (06.03.06)

I wouldn't hold your breath.... :D

I think it'll be worth the wait though. Artwork is excellent as well as the gig. And some very special bonus footage will be included as well.

[so don't you ever dare to think that you don't want this one because you already have the previous DVD]
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Peter on Fri, 2006-03-03, 16:19:37
Quote from: JJ II on Fri, 2006-03-03, 15:18:04
[so don't you ever dare to think that you don't want this one because you already have the previous DVD]

Heh, who are you talking to, mate? None of us, methinks.
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: cabo on Fri, 2006-03-17, 10:27:49
The dvd is offered through www.cdon.com from 27.03....

:D
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: maddox on Sat, 2006-03-18, 00:44:33
...And, also on march 27, through www.progstore.com (http://www.progstore.com).  ;D

Just to inform you.  *horns*

MAD.
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: keyboardistmatt on Thu, 2006-03-23, 16:00:52
It's also on Verglas music... ;)
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: willowroolz on Mon, 2006-04-03, 09:44:53
I know this is going to sound impatient, but I'm not - just, curious:  I placed orders for this and the Caught In The Act dvd through the Verglas website on 21st March but neither have been processed as yet so I wondered if there's a shipping date for it yet? Cheers  :)
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Pascalj on Mon, 2006-04-03, 15:56:01
Quote from: keyboardistmatt on Thu, 2006-03-23, 16:00:52
It's also on Verglas music... ;)

It's only the standard edition, i would like the limited edition, will be this available on Verglas?
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: PH on Mon, 2006-04-03, 15:59:18
Quote from: Pascalj on Mon, 2006-04-03, 15:56:01
Quote from: keyboardistmatt on Thu, 2006-03-23, 16:00:52It's also on Verglas music... ;)

It's only the standard edition, i would like the limited edition, will be this available on Verglas?

It's also on Verglas music... ;)
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Pascalj on Mon, 2006-04-03, 16:03:16
Quote from: PH on Mon, 2006-04-03, 15:59:18
It's only the standard edition, i would like the limited edition, will be this available on Verglas?

It's also on Verglas music... ;)
??? I'm trying to buy it but i've this message: "Sorry, this product is not in stock at the moment." :'(
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: PH on Mon, 2006-04-03, 16:10:06
Quote from: Pascalj on Mon, 2006-04-03, 16:03:16
??? I'm trying to buy it but i've this message: "Sorry, this product is not in stock at the moment." :'(

But that's also the case with the standard edition.
You know what? I would buy the limited edition anyway, even when they say they don't have it in stock. When they do, they'll send it over to you. When there's no limited edition left anymore, they automatically send you the standard edition I think.

But on the other hand, I have no experience with any of this. Try contacting Verglas or even Clive here. I don't know.
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Pascalj on Mon, 2006-04-03, 16:15:00
Quote from: PH on Mon, 2006-04-03, 16:10:06
But that's also the case with the standard edition.
You know what? I would buy the limited edition anyway, even when they say they don't have it in stock. When they do, they'll send it over to you. When there's no limited edition left anymore, they automatically send you the standard edition I think.

But on the other hand, I have no experience with any of this. Try contacting Verglas or even Clive here. I don't know.

Thanks, i contact Verglas..
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Pascalj on Tue, 2006-04-04, 08:56:23
Quote from: PH on Mon, 2006-04-03, 16:10:06
But that's also the case with the standard edition.
You know what? I would buy the limited edition anyway, even when they say they don't have it in stock. When they do, they'll send it over to you. When there's no limited edition left anymore, they automatically send you the standard edition I think.

But on the other hand, I have no experience with any of this. Try contacting Verglas or even Clive here. I don't know.

8) This morning, all is OK, i could buy limited edition :)
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: _PM_ on Thu, 2006-04-06, 11:24:12
Yesterday, I bougth limited edition 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) I'ts great :)
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Proglady on Thu, 2006-04-06, 22:29:00
I'm still waiting for my edition to get her  :-\
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Crownie on Fri, 2006-04-07, 20:31:03
Ordered my copy on 22nd March but still awaiting its arrival.  Any boby in the UK rec'd theirs yet?
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Peter on Fri, 2006-04-07, 20:35:32
I received mine today, YAY!!!!  *ola* Great!

But I'm not in the UK, right... :)
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Proglady on Sat, 2006-04-08, 21:24:40
I received mine today and it's GREAT  *ola* *ola* *ola*
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: johninblack on Sun, 2006-04-09, 06:47:07
Just checked my email and I got one that starts.....

This is a shipping confirmation from Verglas Music. Your order below was despatched on 8/4/2006.

Can't wait!
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Appelmoes?? on Sun, 2006-04-09, 12:29:12
Hmm, maybe I should get one too :-\
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Micha on Sun, 2006-04-09, 14:32:33
Mine arrived yesterday... and it's breathtaking! A must have!
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: The Butterfly Man on Sun, 2006-04-09, 15:34:29
I ordered it yesterday at the Verglas-store!

Looking forward to it!

Tom
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: HelenDo on Sun, 2006-04-09, 16:46:42
Yep, I also had an email saying mine is on its way. I can't wait. Lets hope it arrives on a day when Mr HelenDo is working late  ;)

Helenxxx
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: maddox on Sun, 2006-04-09, 17:00:50
Quote from: johninblack on Sun, 2006-04-09, 06:47:07
Just checked my email and I got one that starts.....

This is a shipping confirmation from Verglas Music. Your order below was despatched on 8/4/2006.

Can't wait!

Hey. I just found out that yesterday i also had an Email like that one.

Can't wait either. I really want to have it.  ;D

MAD.
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: willowroolz on Mon, 2006-04-10, 09:08:11
Got my email on Saturday, can't wait!  ;D
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Wilford Jr. on Mon, 2006-04-10, 16:52:50
Received my e-mail on 9/4/06.  I am eagerly awaiting the arrival!
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Teunis on Mon, 2006-04-10, 17:50:10
Yesterday I came back from a weekend-off and what a pleasant surprise: the DVD 'Smoke and Mirrors' had arrived. I have seen half the DVD and it's awesome! The live versions of the Pepper's Ghost tracks are fabulous. Tonight I'm going to watch the rest. 8)
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: johninblack on Wed, 2006-04-12, 14:32:19
Well, It popped through the door 15 miniutes ago and i'm now gonna put it on. I just have to say as a DVD/CD package this is just the most AWESOME thing I have ever seen! the whole package is just superb and at 16 quid an absolute bargain!
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: PH on Wed, 2006-04-12, 16:36:25
Man, it seems everybody here bought it...

I want it too, but I'll have to ask my dad first (for his creditcard) ;D.

I just hope Contagion The Max will be released quickly now!
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: johninblack on Wed, 2006-04-12, 17:02:21
Quote from: PH on Wed, 2006-04-12, 16:36:25
Man, it seems everybody here bought it...

I want it too, but I'll have to ask my dad first (for his creditcard) ;D.

You have to do it, you know you do, it's really good!
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: PH on Wed, 2006-04-12, 18:33:53
Quote from: johninblack on Wed, 2006-04-12, 17:02:21
You have to do it, you know you do, it's really good!

And what about the packaging?
Does it come with another episode of funny comics? ;D
What does the lay-out look like?
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: HelenDo on Wed, 2006-04-12, 22:09:01
Mine arrived today as well. The packaging is lovely. I just need to get off the Internet and start watching it  ;)

Helenxxx
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: maddox on Wed, 2006-04-12, 22:11:15
Quote from: HelenDo on Wed, 2006-04-12, 22:09:01
Mine arrived today as well. The packaging is lovely. I just need to get off the Internet and start watching it  ;)

Helenxxx

Have fun.  ;)

MAD.
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: willowroolz on Thu, 2006-04-13, 09:19:23
Watched it last night - superb! Thought the picture and sound was terrific and what a brilliant set list and performance  ;D

Just wondering, has anyone noticed a slight problem with the sound being out of synch with the picture? Mick seemed to be hitting his drums about half a second after the beat. I tried it on 2 dvd players and my pc and it was the same on all of them  :-\

Didn't stop me enjoying it though!  :D
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Peter on Thu, 2006-04-13, 09:25:34
Quote from: willowroolz on Thu, 2006-04-13, 09:19:23
Watched it last night - superb! Thought the picture and sound was terrific and what a brilliant set list and performance  ;D

Just wondering, has anyone noticed a slight problem with the sound being out of synch with the picture? Mick seemed to be hitting his drums about half a second after the beat. I tried it on 2 dvd players and my pc and it was the same on all of them  :-\

Didn't stop me enjoying it though!  :D

I noticed it, too. It went away about half way through, though, I believe...
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: JJ II on Thu, 2006-04-13, 10:00:33
Just Mick? That's weird! Or the rest of the band as well?

No kidding: is this a real problem or a minor thing you won't notice if you're an 'average' viewer?
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: willowroolz on Thu, 2006-04-13, 10:31:09
Quote from: JJ II on Thu, 2006-04-13, 10:00:33
Just Mick? That's weird! Or the rest of the band as well?

No kidding: is this a real problem or a minor thing you won't notice if you're an 'average' viewer?
I noticed it straight away - as soon as Mick counted in Bedlam Fayre, so I think it's quite apparent  :-\

Yes, the rest of the band as well, but it was most noticeable on shots of Mick.
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: willowroolz on Thu, 2006-04-13, 10:32:32
Quote from: Peter on Thu, 2006-04-13, 09:25:34
I noticed it, too. It went away about half way through, though, I believe...
I was still noticing it on Solomon but it didn't seem as pronounced as at the beginning  :)
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Clive on Thu, 2006-04-13, 10:42:34
Right.... I've just been checking this out.
It might be aproblem in the authoring part of the production, or iy could be a random pressing thing.
It seems to be out of sync by quite a few milliseconds (The sound track is running very slightly early).
Naturally it is more obvious when you watch the drums.
I have been in touch with Metal Mind, and we are looking into it now... we'll keep you informed

DVD can be a real pain to produce, and this one seems to be haunting us (just when I thought I'd seen the last of it...;)

Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: willowroolz on Thu, 2006-04-13, 10:57:45
Thanks for such a swift response, Clive  ;D

I hope it didn't make you turn the air blue!!  :D
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: johninblack on Thu, 2006-04-13, 20:58:40
Mine is the same, audio about 1/4 second ahead of the video, but I was able to forget it most of the time except when Mick was in shot, then it became really obvious, but given the overall quality of the package and audio quality and video quality and content and everthing i'm not bothered by it.
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: saint_ade on Fri, 2006-04-14, 12:16:24
Hi,
New to the forum, but a big fan of the band for many years. Joined the forum today to say that I've just watched the DVD and noticed the same sync problems on both the 5.1 and stereo soundtracks. I have two mid-range DVD players, both of which have no problems with any other DVDs and the sync problem is quite obvious, almost unwatchable. Have to say I noticed a similar problem with previous Arena DVD as well. I have just emailed MetalMind to see what they say... shame because it's a great performance!

PS...the weird thing is that the special features are perfectly IN sync...certainly an authoring problem I reckon... ???
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Teunis on Fri, 2006-04-14, 12:59:40
Yes, I have noticed it too. But it's not that annoying, it's a great performance. I have a Pendragon DVD on which the problem is worse.
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: HelenDo on Fri, 2006-04-14, 15:45:52
I've watched about a third so far & have to say its superb. I didn't really notice the sync problem. I think I was just enjoying it too much.

Helenxxx
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: maddox on Sat, 2006-04-15, 03:01:07
I saw the DVD twice and yes, i've noticed it too, but just like the rest of you, i don't find it very disturbing. And indeed, i also seen worse, so... *horns*

Great DVD by the way. The Reunion concert in Zoetemeer was also great.
Nice that Paul sings between the audience during A Crack In The Ice.  8)

MAD.

Ps. The first time i saw it i was a bit shocked. Rob wearing a ridicules wig.   :o :o

Though now i find it amusing.  :D
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Subdivisions on Sat, 2006-04-15, 11:02:31
In my opinion the sync problem IS a big issue. It certainly takes focus away from the musical experience and that can't have been the intention... I was just about to return the DVD to the online store from where Í bought it, but I suppose there's no point in doing that as the problem seems global. Let's just hope that Clive & Co can do some difference with the producers. The show is too good to be stored off in the closet.

Does anybody know if you can fix the sync-problems with some sort of software and then burn a backup copy?
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Peter on Sat, 2006-04-15, 13:59:28
Quote from: Subdivisions on Sat, 2006-04-15, 11:02:31
Does anybody know if you can fix the sync-problems with some sort of software and then burn a backup copy?

You *could* rip the streams from the DVD and hand-sync them with VirtualDub, but that's a real PITA. I wouldn't do it, even though I'd surely find out how to do it.... after hours....
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Proglady on Sat, 2006-04-15, 21:27:31
I watched the DVD several times now and I couldn't recognize any sync-problems.  ??? Even if there is a problem, it can't be that big that you can't enjoy the DVD anymore  ::)
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: maddox on Mon, 2006-04-17, 22:37:58
Quote from: Proglady on Sat, 2006-04-15, 21:27:31
I watched the DVD several times now and I couldn't recognize any sync-problems.

Well, although it's a tiny problem, when you see Mick it's kind of obvious though it's really not a big problem. As i mentioned before, i don't find it any disturbing at all.

Quote from: Proglady??? Even if there is a problem, it can't be that big that you can't enjoy the DVD anymore  ::)

I totally agree with you on that one.  ;)

MAD .
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: HelenDo on Mon, 2006-04-17, 22:38:31
Yep, I've watched the DVD all the way through now and I didn't notice a sync problem  :-\ I'm wondering is it me - my husband always says how unobservant I am? Is it a "girl" thing, that I'm too swept along by the experience to notice?

Anyway, I'm loving the DVD. Just the re-union concert to watch now.

Helenxxx
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Proglady on Mon, 2006-04-17, 23:10:14
Quote from: HelenDo on Mon, 2006-04-17, 22:38:31
Yep, I've watched the DVD all the way through now and I didn't notice a sync problem  :-\ I'm wondering is it me - my husband always says how unobservant I am? Is it a "girl" thing, that I'm too swept along by the experience to notice?

Anyway, I'm loving the DVD. Just the re-union concert to watch now.

Helenxxx

Ups, I'm a girl too.  :D

I also love this DVD!!!
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Proglady on Mon, 2006-04-17, 23:14:34
Quote from: maddox on Mon, 2006-04-17, 22:37:58
 

Well, although it's a tiny problem, when you see Mick it's kind of obvious though it's really a big problem. As i mentioned before, i don't find it any disturbing at all.

::) Hm, okay, but wouldn't it also be noticable by watching Rob's lips when he sings?
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Peter on Mon, 2006-04-17, 23:55:54
Quote from: Proglady on Mon, 2006-04-17, 23:14:34
::) Hm, okay, but wouldn't it also be noticable by watching Rob's lips when he sings?

Not that much, actually, and only if you look veeeeery closely...
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Subdivisions on Tue, 2006-04-18, 19:22:48
Well, none of my other DVD's have this problem so I'm still dissapointed  :( And, yes, it's still quite noticable regardless of who the camera focuses on. Maybe I should have my copy traded anyway. If it's a burn-related problem, maybe some copies are worse than others. Keeping my fingers crossed..
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Clive on Tue, 2006-04-18, 21:02:44
I may have some answers in a couple of days.... please bear with me, because I'm knee deep in rehearsals and programming, and practice, and recording etc.... but I'm on the case,.... promise!
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: maddox on Tue, 2006-04-18, 21:07:47
Quote from: Clive on Tue, 2006-04-18, 21:02:44
I may have some answers in a couple of days.... please bear with me, because I'm knee deep in rehearsals and programming, and practice, and recording etc.... but I'm on the case,.... promise!

Take the time, Clive. We're patiently waiting.  ;)

MAD.
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: nobch on Tue, 2006-04-18, 23:34:18
Hi, I'm new here.
I also have the sync problems with my DVD....
>:(
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: JJ II on Wed, 2006-04-19, 16:30:00
QuoteIs it a "girl" thing, that I'm too swept along by the experience to notice?

Hmmm... maybe. I have a couple of DVD's with this problem and my wife always says, 'well, I don't see it and if I did, I wouldn't be disturbed'. Problem is: once you see it, you see it.
I really hope this can be fixed.

QuoteGreat DVD by the way. The Reunion concert in Zoetemeer was also great.
Nice that Paul sings between the audience during A Crack In The Ice.

Great to hear! I saw some of this footage by a friend of mine (John Vis is his name) and I begged Clive to add some of it. Fortunately there were some more recordings by different fans, who were willing to co-operate. Regrettably not all in the same format. One of them had an excellent soundtrack we used and we used two different camera's. John did an excellent job, espcecially when you realize that he had to put every different shot/angle in-sync by hand!!

I am very glad that I didn't hesitate asking him and Clive (sorry, if I was a pain in the ass boys), but I think we all really owe a lot to John's willingness to put so much effort in it and to Clive for his trust that it would work out. After all, it was 'just amateur footage', that wasn't intended to be used at all....
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Highfire on Mon, 2006-04-24, 09:39:03
Well, I got my copy last friday, have seen it twice and...no syncro problems at all!!! :D (my wife was there, and she agrees  ;))

It's a great job, great sound, great extras, great concert ... I'm really happy!!!

Bye!
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Stuart on Tue, 2006-04-25, 21:38:53
The quality of the audio and video are superb, just the issue of them not quite happening at the same time  ::)
It seems to be several 100 milliseconds, and is noticable on the Rob's voice.
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Crownie on Wed, 2006-04-26, 21:30:06
I've had my DVD for two weeks now and, yes, I have noticed the sight out of sync with the sound but whether it is a 'woman thing' I am not too put off by it.  However, hubby is!  Most vocally so!  Good job I bought it for me to watch.  Like others have said before me, it is not the worst example I have seen.  But it is interesting to see that other girls/woman are less stressed about the whole thing then their men folk.  Is it something to do with perception? 
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: saint_ade on Sat, 2006-04-29, 19:44:47
The point about any DVD being out of sync, is that it SHOULDN'T be. You pay your money and you expect the authoring to be correct. I can make DVDs using Nero software on my home PC and add new soundtracks and get them perfectly in sync dead easily, so I'm sure a professional company can. I have had DVDs made for the business I'm in and if one came back like Smoke & Mirrors, I'd have no hesitation in rejecting the whole batch. There are some DVD players that do suffer from lip sync problems, but by and large that problem has been rectified with the new generation of DVD players. It would seem that the time delay varies from DVD to DVD, but on mine (6 month old Philips) the picture is about half a beat in front of the audio, which is very frustrating more than anything and patently obvious with the drumming, but also quite clear with the guitar solos. I'm sure Clive is on the case and will (hopefully) get a new batch made and we can switch them...(??) Let's keep our fingers crossed for some news.
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: HelenDo on Sat, 2006-04-29, 22:45:11
Just wanted to add that I have at last managed to watch the bonus footage of the re-union concert & its fab. I love this DVD!!!!!

Helenxxxx
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: nobch on Sat, 2006-05-06, 04:01:44
well, sorry fellows,sorry clive!
I still have the sync problem with the dvd! I cant synchronize the drums or the voice with the picture! ;-))
I'm not willing to pay a lot of money for a worse dvd.
Metal Minds P. says: No, there are no problems, so what?

Can anybody help?

Otherwise I will send the DVD+CD back to my distributor.
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: johninblack on Sat, 2006-05-06, 08:03:19
Quote from: HelenDo on Sat, 2006-04-29, 22:45:11
Just wanted to add that I have at last managed to watch the bonus footage of the re-union concert & its fab. I love this DVD!!!!!

Helenxxxx

Superb isn't it? And in sync.
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: marcello on Sat, 2006-05-13, 13:30:50
My Smoke and Mirrors DVD came today and I've watched all the way through including bonus features and i find no problems whatsoever with it.

My say is that that DVD is really damn good!!!
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Stuart on Tue, 2006-05-16, 22:54:21
Well, I just got an email from none other than Mr Mick Pointer saying the following:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

There has been a random problem with the synchronization on the new Arena
DVD (Smoke and Mirrors).

If you have a copy that is out of sync there is now a solution!

Simply send your 'out of sync' "Disc Only" Not the packaging to:
Metal Mind Productions
(att: Ola Kobusinska)
40-534 Katowice
ul.Czajek 31
Poland


Don't forget to supply a return address...
and Metal Mind will replace your copy with a new in-sync version.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

So now we have a solution. Nice one guys.
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Peter on Tue, 2006-05-16, 23:03:18
http://shattered-room.net/index.php?topic=744.msg14669#msg14669

yes, exactly :)
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Mick on Wed, 2006-05-17, 12:44:40
Hi Everyone,

I would like to clear up this Smoke & Mirrors DVD problem once and for all!
The DVD Limited and normal version was licensed to Metal Mind Records in Poland by Verglas Music this means that Metal Mind are responsible for the production of the DVD this is why you need to send your copy to them in Poland for exchange (if its not working as you would expect it to i.e. sound not in time with the vision) address can be found on verglas.com if you bought the DVD from Verglas.com you should have received a mail from me explaining who to contact to get a replacement. Please note this is a random problem and only applies to dvds sent out in April all other dvds are the new production and are fine this includes any bought in a uk shop. can't tell you about distribution in any other country because this is down to Metal mind but again if you have a problem with what you have bought send it back to them!

I would like to apologise for the inconvenience this has caused some of you............  its has been a right royal cock-up!

Mick Pointer

Ps to answer your question about "Tarqin" when John Mitchell first joined the band Paul Wrightson was still in Arena and he found out the John had gone to Eton (the Posh school in England) and (I'm generalising) you find a lot of Tarquins there!
But we don't call him that any more.............
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: PH on Wed, 2006-05-17, 13:17:10
Quote from: Mick on Wed, 2006-05-17, 12:44:40But we don't call him that any more.............
'Cause he didn't like it, yeah. I've read it in the biography! ;D
Cool to see you around here Mick! And now I know why John isn't here, he's afraid we'd give him names. :P
Of course that isn't the case, tell him Mick, you mouse! ;D
::)

Now is the time to buy this great DVD, I hope there are still Limited Editions left...
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Stuart on Wed, 2006-05-17, 21:47:41
Thanks Mick, I can only imagine how much a pain in the rear this has been for you guys. Nice that is is all sorted out now. My DVD will go back this week for replacement. It was in the first batch sent out, which explains now why some folks never noticed it.
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: PH on Fri, 2006-05-19, 20:43:54
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/05/19/105044.php
^^
There's a review of this DVD. It's not a very good review as I can read from the first paragraph, but I haven't read the whole article yet. Besides that, sometimes it's good to see the critics on a DVD or CD. Pro's and con's is better than only pro's or only con's (in some way), because sometimes you have some sort of 'fanboys' who think everything is good from their beloved artist, while there can be said enough other things about.

Of course, that's hardly the case with Arena, because they're just plain amazing. 'nuff said.
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: saint_ade on Wed, 2006-05-31, 14:21:41
Re: Out of Sync DVD:
Hi, I got my replacement DVD back from Metal Mind in the post this morning. Can't wait to get it home and watch it properly this time.
Anyone else had theirs back yet?
Ade
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: mdread666 on Wed, 2006-05-31, 15:36:14
Yep, a couple of weeks ago

http://shattered-room.net/index.php?topic=744.msg15012#msg15012
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: johninblack on Wed, 2006-05-31, 16:38:45
Today.

http://shattered-room.net/index.php?topic=744.msg15276#msg15276 (http://shattered-room.net/index.php?topic=744.msg15276#msg15276)
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: saint_ade on Thu, 2006-06-01, 15:18:27
So I got mine home last night and tried it. And you know what...? It still ain't spot on, but its MUCH MUCH better than before. That tell-tale first drum of Bedlam Fayre is still a miniscule amount AHEAD of the sound, but it is barely noticeable apart from the drumming..maybe on a couple of intricate guitar solos and fast keyboard solos you can detect it as well.
I can't believe its my kit...Sony Bravia V series 40" and Sony DVD Recorder (only a couple of months old) and nothing else is out of sync. But the picture and sound are great, particularly using progressive scan.
I blame the Poles.... :P
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Teunis on Thu, 2006-07-27, 10:48:49
A review of the 'Smoke and Mirrors' DVD. It got the status 'DPRP recommended'.
Congratulations to the band.

http://www.dprp.net/reviews/200634.php#arena
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: Appelmoes?? on Thu, 2006-07-27, 12:01:18
Quote from: saint_ade on Thu, 2006-06-01, 15:18:27
So I got mine home last night and tried it. And you know what...? It still ain't spot on, but its MUCH MUCH better than before. That tell-tale first drum of Bedlam Fayre is still a miniscule amount AHEAD of the sound, but it is barely noticeable apart from the drumming..maybe on a couple of intricate guitar solos and fast keyboard solos you can detect it as well.
I can't believe its my kit...Sony Bravia V series 40" and Sony DVD Recorder (only a couple of months old) and nothing else is out of sync. But the picture and sound are great, particularly using progressive scan.
I blame the Poles.... :P
That's just because light travels faster than sound, try to sit closer to the screen :P
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: PH on Sun, 2006-08-06, 20:42:18
Got it today! ;D
I'll check it out right away!
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: bellanova on Mon, 2006-08-07, 15:32:52
I got my replacement dvd too a few weeks ago and it definately is still out of sync. I think it may be my dvd player but most dvds seem to be fine except this one and also "Caught In The Act". However it doesnt spoil the viewing too much. It just gets a bit frustrating on the close ups of John and Micks playing.
Title: Re: Smoke And Mirrors DVD
Post by: PH on Mon, 2006-08-07, 15:40:46
Argh... that really sucks... So the problem still isn't solved...

I have seen my DVD and everything was alright... All in sync and the extra features were great!
(All 4 thumbs up, Arena!)

Just one thing; when you're 'browsing' through the DVD, the music is playing and starts again everytime you click on something... really annoying I think.

Ahh well, it's the best Live Concert on DVD that I've got! ;D