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Which groups are prog?

Started by Nicky007, Fri, 2007-09-07, 00:59:38

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maddox

Maybe it's time for two new candidates if i may.

What about:

Kaipa and Knights Area?
Cause of Injury: Lack of Adhesive Ducks.

johninblack

Quote from: maddox on Fri, 2007-09-07, 20:20:55
Maybe it's time for two new candidates if i may.

What about:

Kaipa and Knights Area?

Second both them, and if I may 2 more.....

Credo and Darwin's Radio

johninblack

I could maybe toss a few more into the mix......

Angra
Blind Guardian
Cairo
Chroma Key
Clepsydra
Echolyn
Eloy
Jadis
King Crimson
Magic Pie
Pagan's Mind
Pilgrym
Porcupine Tree
Queensryche
Royal Hunt
U.K.

If i've mentioned something already said then thats a 2nd or 3rd vote.


maddox

Agree with Credo. Great band. Darwin's radio is unknown to me.

Quote from: johninblack on Fri, 2007-09-07, 21:02:30
I could maybe toss a few more into the mix......

Angra
Blind Guardian
Cairo
Chroma Key
Clepsydra
Echolyn
Eloy
Jadis
King Crimson
Magic Pie
Pagan's Mind
Pilgrym
Porcupine Tree
Queensryche
Royal Hunt
U.K.

If i've mentioned something already said then thats a 2nd or 3rd vote.



I second the highlighted ones. Great that you know Cairo as well, John.  ;)

A few more:

Strangefish,
Galeon,
Tomorrow's Eve,
The Gathering (if Nicky can mention Alice In Chains, i can mention The Gathering  ;)),
The Watch,
Enchant,
Tiles?

Hey this actually sounds a bit like my listening profile.  :D
Cause of Injury: Lack of Adhesive Ducks.

johninblack

Strangefish and The Watch deffo a second vote. Enchant, Black Eyes & Broken Glass probably my favorite track, yep, gets a vote from me

bluepony

Quote from: Nicky007 on Fri, 2007-09-07, 17:33:44
Nobody else but me wants to label Alice In Chains as a prog group?
Nope!  ;D

Nicky007

Quote from: maddox on Fri, 2007-09-07, 17:55:15
You're not giving up on the Alice in Chains and Chris Cornell matter are you Nicky?  :D

Not that easily. But I can see the way the wind is blowing.

Nicky.
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Nicky007

Quote from: maddox on Fri, 2007-09-07, 20:20:55
Maybe it's time for two new candidates if i may.

What about:

Kaipa and Knights Area?

Certainly, Maddox. All such proposals are very welcome. And I take it that you vote for these two too.

Nicky.
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Sure you can
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Nicky007

Quote from: johninblack on Fri, 2007-09-07, 21:02:30
I could maybe toss a few more into the mix......

Hey, you're really well versed in prog, John.

Got'm all included. Let's see what other roomies think.

Nicky.
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And so you want to meet God
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He's right here next to me

Nicky007

Quote from: johninblack on Fri, 2007-09-07, 22:01:07
Strangefish and The Watch deffo a second vote. Enchant, Black Eyes & Broken Glass probably my favorite track, yep, gets a vote from me

Got your first two votes registered, John. Do you mean the group Enchant? And what are the last two, groups or songs?

Nicky.
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And so you want to meet God
Sure you can
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Nicky007

#60
So, guys, got all your votes registered. You can see the status in the original post. The numbers after the groups under "Candidates" are the number of votes they've received presently.

If I've missed something, please notify.

Please continue to vote, but don't vote a second time for the same group, as that'll confuse me, and you don't want that, do you?

You're also welcome to question any of the groups under "Definitely prog".

Lots of names I've never heard before. That in itself is interesting.

I guess AIC had to sink.

But now the three big questions: Are It Bites, Chris Cornell, and Beatles prog?

Nicky.

So you've come of age
And so you want to meet God
Sure you can
He's right here next to me

bellanova

Hey Nicky! Have you got Camel? I didnt see it or maybe i just missed it?

PH

#62
Clepsydra: YES!
Porcupine Tree: SURE!
Kaipa: OF COURSE!
Strangefish: YEAH!
The Watch: SURE!

Maddox said it before and I say it again.
There's so much different prog. And the prog standard is different from each perspective it seems.

There's "progressive rock" and "progressive" rock.
The first one "progressive rock", it is the substantive itself, is music that strictly follows the guidelines of the 70s prog. Neal Morse for example. It can be called Retro prog if you want, or as some say it jokingly "regressive rock".
If you consider this the only guideline, than Arena is prog, but Jadis isn't.

Than there's "progressive" rock, "progressive" is the adjective for the "rock" that is the substantive. Frost for example. Or Darwin's Radio, Porcupine Tree (although the latter takes it's influences from the 60s 70s psychecelica).

I like both sorts of prog, so to me it's all just a matter of taste.
And some are truly best of both worlds, like Arena, which takes "Progressive Rock" and "Progressive" Rock.

Nicky007

#63
OK, Paco, got your latest votes registered.

You seem to have missed Neal Morse.

Thanks for your interesting comments too.

So, anyone wanna promote Andromeda, Angra, Clepsydra, Deadsoul Tribe, Echolyn, Enchant, Knights Area, Pagan's Mind, Sylvan, U.K., and/or Frank Zappa to prog?

Nicky.
So you've come of age
And so you want to meet God
Sure you can
He's right here next to me

maddox

I do wonder where Sylvan is? Certainly they are considered prog, aren't they?  ???
Cause of Injury: Lack of Adhesive Ducks.

Nicky007

#65
Quote from: maddox on Sat, 2007-09-08, 16:31:52
I do wonder where Sylvan is? Certainly they are considered prog, aren't they?  ???

Yes, of course. I guess we simply forgot them. I put them on the candidate list with your and my vote, Maddox.

You mentioned Everon in the NP thread, so I added them too. But it wasn't clear to me whether you considered them prog or not.

And how about Beyond Twilight, Blackfield, Dredg, Faith No More, Katatonia, and A Perfect Circle?

Nicky.
So you've come of age
And so you want to meet God
Sure you can
He's right here next to me

maddox

Quote from: Nicky007 on Sat, 2007-09-08, 16:55:07
Yes, of course. I guess we simply forgot them. I put them on the candidate list with your and my vote, Maddox.

You mentioned Everon in the NP thread, so I added them too. But it wasn't clear to me whether you considered them prog or not.

And how about Beyond Twilight, Blackfield, Dredg, Faith No More, Katatonia, and A Perfect Circle?

Nicky.

Well i did say that Everon is an underestimated progband.  ;)

Blackfield - Despite of the presence of wonderchild Wilson i'm inclined to say no.
Beyond Twilight - Great. Another band i don't know.  :-\
Dredg - And another.  :-\ Though i do know a Judge Dredd.  ;D
Faith No More - Well they did a song called 'Epic'. But...nope. No prog.  :D
Katatonia - Heard of them before but have no idea how they sound like. So much to learn.  :D
A Perfect Circle - Same category as Tool i guess because of the fact that Tools' singer is in it.  Personally i wonder why some of you it's prog. I consider it Metal with proggish elements but no prog by definition.

The end for now.  ;)
Cause of Injury: Lack of Adhesive Ducks.

johninblack

Quote from: Nicky007 on Sat, 2007-09-08, 12:39:02
Got your first two votes registered, John. Do you mean the group Enchant? And what are the last two, groups or songs?

Nicky.

Black Eyes & Broken Glass is a song from Enchants rather excellent album 'Juggling 9 or Dropping 10'. Sorry confusing you guys again....It's a vote for Enchant whatever the confusion ;)

Nicky007

#68
Hey, guys, now you're being evasive. I want your comments as to whether the following groups and artists are prog or not:

It Bites
Beatles
Chris Cornell  (soloproduction)
David Gilmour          -"-
Roger Waters           -"-
Rick Wright              -"-

Nicky.
So you've come of age
And so you want to meet God
Sure you can
He's right here next to me

Nicky007

#69
Quote from: maddox on Sat, 2007-09-08, 18:50:22
A Perfect Circle - Same category as Tool i guess because of the fact that Tools' singer is in it.  Personally i wonder why some of you [think] it's prog. I consider it Metal with proggish elements but no prog by definition.

Try eMOTIVE. That's prog as good as it gits. Fabulous album. Aint that right, John?


Quote from: maddox on Sat, 2007-09-08, 18:50:22
The end for now.  ;)

The duck ass?

Nicky.
So you've come of age
And so you want to meet God
Sure you can
He's right here next to me

johninblack

Quote from: Nicky007 on Sun, 2007-09-09, 10:39:52
Hey, guys, now you're being evasive. I want your comments as to whether the following groups and artists are prog or not:

It Bites
Beatles
Chris Cornell  (soloproduction)
David Gilmore          -"-
Roger Waters           -"-
Rick Wright              -"-

Nicky.


OK, you wanted an answer......here goes

It Bites - Yep Prog, having said that with a very 'pop' influence
Beatles - SoooooooooNOT Prog, But certainly a MAJOR influence on music as a whole for so many acts. The Instigators of prog? Yeah, maybe along with a few others.
Chris Connel - Only got one album but on the evidence of that, no.
The Pink Floyd Dudes - As a whole, of course, but as individuals the waters are muddied somewhat! I would be inclined to say that their work as a collective is far too Prog for their solo material not to be, but you could equally argue that none of them are Prog as solo acts. Gilmour solo, Prog but could easily be described as being AOR or even Soft Rock. The other two I own nothing from so i'm going only by memeory, and i've had quite a few sessions on the Ale since then but heard enough to say Yes you could call them Prog, but as with Gilmour other 'Tags' could fit.

johninblack

Quote from: Nicky007 on Sun, 2007-09-09, 10:58:40
Try eMOTIVE. That's prog as good as it gits. Fabulous album. Aint that right, John?


New one on me Nicky, I'll have to check them out.


See, I don't know everything.........quite.

Nicky007

Quote from: johninblack on Sun, 2007-09-09, 12:58:03
OK, you wanted an answer......here goes

Thanks, John, I think you filled out some missing pieces for me.

I would conclude now:

It Bites is prog. I mean, it has to be, with the great John Mitchell at the helm, although they do tend toward the poppy, as you say.

Chris Cornell is not prog. My pet project, I'll admit, but I understand you guys' qualms about putting him on the prog shelf.

Beatles is not prog, although you and I can agree that their influence on rock music has been monumental.

Any objections to this?


I need some more comments on the Floyd guys, however, to reach a conclusion.

Nicky.

So you've come of age
And so you want to meet God
Sure you can
He's right here next to me

johninblack

Quote from: Nicky007 on Sun, 2007-09-09, 14:20:21
Thanks, John, I think you filled out some missing pieces for me.

I would conclude now:

It Bites is prog. I mean, it has to be, with the great John Mitchell at the helm, although they do tend toward the poppy, as you say.

Chris Cornell is not prog. My pet project, I'll admit, but I understand you guys' qualms about putting him on the prog shelf.

Beatles is not prog, although you and I can agree that their influence on rock music has been monumental.

Any objections to this?


Sounds right to me *horns*

PH

I only heard Gilmour's solo material and although I REALLY like it, I think it's no prog.
As for the others, I don't know, but I've heard that they aren't really prog either.